Well….see ya in 4 months qt pie!!

I would love to run into you and meet you! We’ll be pulling our fifth wheel. Will you also be in a rig? We have not been there before but I know that there are other accommodations such as cabins and tent space and I’d love to figure out how to run into you, same name sister!

I didn’t find out until afterward but we were close to Teresa C last Feast of Tabernacles and it would have been such a blessing for me to meet her too.

In our Heavenly Father’s love and care…

Concerning the “7thDay people” that Lisa spoke of, I see that there are those who have changed (1Cor 15:50-53) and there are those who have not.

“And at MIDNIGHT A CRY was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’ Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ And while they went to buy, THE BRIDEGROOM CAME, AND THOSE WHO WERE READY WENT IN WITH HIM TO THE WEDDING AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT. Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord open to us!’ But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’” (Matt 25:6-12)

“But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Yeshua died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Yeshua. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.” (1Thess 4:13-18)

“And as we have born the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.” (1Cor 15:49)

“For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”
(1Cor 15:53)

“Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM FOR WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.”
(1John 3:2-3)

“After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude IN HEAVEN, saying, Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God!” (Rev 19:1)

“’Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His WIFE has made herself ready.’ And to her it was granted to be arrayed in FINE LINEN, CLEAN and BRIGHT, for the FINE LINEN is the righteous acts of the saints.” (Rev 19:7-8)

“And the armies in heaven clothed in FINE LINEN, WHITE and CLEAN followed Him on white horses.” (Rev 19:14)

“Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.” (Rev 19:15-16)

“Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives…” (Zech 14:3-4a)

“Thus the Lord my God will come, and ALL THE SAINTS WITH YOU.” (Zech 14:5b)

“These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and THOSE WHO ARE WITH HIM are called, chosen, and faithful.”
(Rev 17:14)

“And it shall come to pass that everyone WHO IS LEFT of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.”
(Zech 14:16-17)

Seeking first the kingdom of God and His righteousness

In the 7thDay people will be flesh and blood because they will be marrying, given in marriage, having babies, dying and learning Yah’s ways. Possibly we will be like Y’shua was before He was given His new body — when He was filled up with the Ruach and able to walk rightly?

Like I said, I’m studying this out.

And I am positive this happens at the END of Y’shua’s reign in the 7th millennium when He hands the keys to the Kingdom back over to YHWH.

I hope i didn’t confuse anyone. It does help me to lay it out and discuss it…so I hope no one minds.

lapse of logic on my part…grrr….I’m so slow. bear with me please.

I said:
There’s more though….Go to Luke 20:35:
“And Y’shua answering said unto them, The children of *this age* marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain *that age*, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage.”

Which age is *that age* that Y’shua is referring to in this verse? the next millennium just before entering into the 8th day
because the next verse Luke 20:36 says this:
“Neither can they *die* any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of Elohim being the children *of the resurrection*.

Okay, I must amend this to say this:

Luke 20:35:
“And Y’shua answering said unto them, The children of *this age* marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain *that age*, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage.”

Which age is *this age*? He was speaking about an age where people could marry – be given in marriage. That applies to the 6th AND 7th day/millennium!! DOH – i’m so slow sometimes. People marry in this current age…and will be marrying in the Millennium!

Which age is *that age* that Y’shua is referring to in this verse?
This has to be going into the 8th Day/millennium…
because the next verse Luke 20:36 says this:
“Neither can they *die* any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of Elohim being the children *of the resurrection*.

Thowwy guys. My brain gets tangled.

Here is the link:
http://news.yahoo.com/us-allies-begin-major-war-games-jordan-151144580.html

Something stirred in my spirit when I saw this…
Lets rise up family and be ready…
Shalom and Love,
Josie xo

Also, I don’t think he was claiming Betulah was any more special than at other times – but rather, covering the mazzaroth….and then looking at the other signs that are coming. But I will go and study it out again with your comments in mind. At present, I do believe some of the other information in the presentation has merit. Shalom sis

I’ve got a copy now and am reading it….Highly recommended for those who are confused about Torah or think Yah’s teaching and instructions are done away with.

But even more importantly – it covers WHAT TIME IT IS and how important it is decide whom we will serve. I’m hoping I can order several copies to have on hand. I RARELY purchase books but this is one I feel will be valuable to have on hand as the days grow darker and people are drawn to the Light in me. I can give out as Yahuwah leads.

Shalom.

I previously thought the moment ‘we’re changed in the twinkling of an eye’ was at Y’shua’s 2nd coming. But Boaz says it’s at the end of the 7th day/millennium. And from the scripture he showed, I now think this is correct.

He also shared something about Rev 20:4
where it says ‘those who had been *beheaded* because of the witness they bore to Y’shua.”
I copied it out of my computer to be sure:
“and the lives of those who had been *beheaded* because of the witness they bore to יהושע”

If we look up the word ‘beheaded’ it says:
G3990
pelekizo
pel-ek-id’-zo
from a derivitate of G4141 (meaning an *axe*); to chop off (the head), that is, truncate; – behead

G4141
Plesso
place’-so
Apparently another form of G4111 (through the idea of flattening out); to pound, that is, (figuratively) TO INFLICT WITH (CALAMITY): smite Compare G5180

Boaz was saying it could have been better translated this way:
“those who had been *cut off and afflicted* because of the witness they bore to Y’shua.”

How many of us have been cut off an afflicted for our witness of Y’shua — holding fast to His Name, refusing to be drawn back into Babylon? I know I have.

Then we look at the word Resurrection (clarifying about the 1st resurrection) which means to be elevated/esteemed/lifted up:
go to G386 anastasia
an-as’-tas-sis
From G450; a standing up again, that is (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, general or by implication (its author)), or *** (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth)***; raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.

The point he was making about ‘resurrection’ (1st resurrection) is that it could mean a recovery of the spiritual truth — being resurrected in spiritual truth. My paraphrase. I’m still chewing on this bit. But it seems to tie in with dead being raised to life again at the end of the 7th Day when allllll are judged. So maybe the 1st resurrection isn’t what I always thought it was.
Here are a some thoughts I lifted from the .pdf though:

“Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

” Zao [G2198], the primary verb from which anazao is derived, means “to live, breathe, be among the living (not lifeless, not dead); to enjoy real life worthy of the name— active, blessed, endless in the kingdom of YHVH; living water, having vital power in itself and exerting the same upon the soul; to be in full vigor; to be fresh, strong, efficient, active, powerful, efficacious.”
YHVH is one!
“This is the first resurrection.” This is the first rising or arising. “Ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am YHVH.” Resurrection, used only in Revelation 20:5 and 20:6, is from anastasis [G0386] and means “a raising up, rising; a rising from the dead.” Context and timing indicate that this is a spiritual arising, not the physical resurrection of those who have loved and worshipped YHVH throughout past ages. These are the first fruits, all who embrace YHVH’s instruction. Refer Ezekiel 37:1-10.”

Again…still chewing on this.

Another cool thing:

1 Cor 15:51 :
“See, I speak *a secret* to you; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed *at the last trumpet*(!). For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

For some reason, I used to always think this was speaking of the end of THIS age. Doh — bad assumption.

I now understand when this happens, because Rev 20:5 says the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished (speaking of END the 7th Day/millennial reign of Y’shua!)!
So, THAT”S when we get glorified bodies.

There’s more though….Go to Luke 20:35:
“And Y’shua answering said unto them, The children of *this age* marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain *that age*, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage.”

Which age is *this age*? the 6th day/millennium. People marry in this current age…

Which age is *that age* that Y’shua is referring to in this verse? the next millennium just before entering into the 8th day
because the next verse Luke 20:36 says this:
“Neither can they *die* any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of Elohim being the children *of the resurrection*.

That’s speaking of having glorified bodies.

Anyway, I always wondered how some would have glorified bodies while others would be marrying, being given in marriage, having babies, and dying in 7th millennium. Now I am understanding the glorified bodies happens at the very end of the 7th millennium.

So, now I’m pondering what happens to those who endure to the end of this age without dying…. I no longer think they will get glorified bodies, but I do wonder if life spans will be changed…

Anyway, those are some of the things I’m mulling over that I thought I’d further share. Shalom.

You know what? I went back to Rob Moore’s site – clicked on Boaz’s name at the top – and there is a list of another set of teachings (at the top). That first series at the top entitled “Series Jan 2011″ is really good.

I was listening to it all this week to vet it….(I was thinking in terms of burning it on cds and giving it as Abba leads, to friends who are stuck in the church system). And not only is it a great set of teachings — but man, it helped me to consolidate some things. And see things more simply than I did when I was first trying to unlearn so much.

So, you might find it helpful to start there at the top of the page, and listen to each teaching – one by one at a pace that’s good for you.

What I said to Duncan below was me airing some of my thoughts (and some beliefs). I don’t want to mislead anyone, so as always, I reiterate and encourage everyone to study and check all this stuff for themselves. Abba really does help us .
Shalom. xo

Here is a link to get you started as well as comments at the end of the post. http://subversiveinfluence.com/2008/02/the-shepherding-movement/

The “shepherding movement” holds to that every believer needs a “covering” to guide, teach, correct, be confessor, be more “spiritual’ than they and more that you will see with research.

This “covering” is a person/pastor/shepherd that is “more sprititual” than they are and are better equipped, more “mature”, can “hear” from God more clearly than the “sheep”, is needed to “hear” from God FOR the “sheep”, is needed to interpret God’s Word FOR the “sheep” because he is not annointed or “spiritual” enough to understand what the Word or what God is saying.

Basically according to the “shepherding movement” the hierarchy is something like this (I am not using YHWY and Yeshua because they do not to represent what they think):

God
Jesus
Shepherd (a vast hierarchy that has many levels in a pyramidal structure with the “head” shepherd at the top)
Man or Woman (if single)
Wife

The “shepherd” holds total authority over those he “shepherds”. The “sheep” must obey the “shepherd” or they are in “rebellion” and probably have a “spirit”/”demon” that needs to be dealt with so that they will “see” that they need to be under the “covering authority” of the “shepherd”.

The “shepherd” has to be in control, and when a “sheep” questions the “shepherd” they are in “rebellion”, when the “sheep” takes initiative to learn from another teacher and begins to see the Truth, the “rebellious sheep” must have a “rebellious spirit” and either renounce the “spirit” or be removed from the fold so that they do not pass the “rebellious spirit” to others.

The causes of “rebellion” (which the “shepherd” speaks of as often as their “authority” and is a common theme) is seen by them as caused by different “spirits” in the “rebellious sheep”.

This unquestioned total (spiritual, mental, emotional, and physical) authority over the believer can and does end in an abuse of control. The saying “absolute power corrups absolutely” is true. And it does so here. You can see the many abuses listed in the reports by those so abused, on the net.

We have and need, only one shepherd, The Shepherd – Yeshua. We are the sheep with elder sheep in our “herd”. The Holy Spirit is quite capable of directing and teaching us through The Word and prayer. We do need the “herd” as the Word tells us, but not another or many levels of “shepherds” in authority covering over us as our “protection”. The “shepherds” take a position that is not theirs to take.

Yeshua is our Covering, our protection, no one else. As with anything else man can take things and pervert them into his own thinking, understanding, use, and personal fleshly benefit.

They can also justify and make it look and sound very “spiritual” and “biblical”. It MAY (see the fab 5 as the organizers and their reasonings as to perversion of it) have started out Biblically sound as a true move of YHWH (not the shepherding aspect but a true command by Yeshua to disciple believers in Torah).

Excesses and going beyond Torah is done in the flesh for many reasons – wanting to experience the “spiritual”, need for experience to prove the reality etc. etc. How does hasatan decieve? He appeals to our flesh. Look and see how eastern kundalini looks similar to some of the “movements” today. A gift given by YHWH perverted for man’s use.

Anything can be taken to extreme and when we get out of balance into extreme we are on slippery slopes. Deception has to have an element of truth to it or it is easily seen as deception and rejected outright. Also, deception can be like the “frog boiling in the pot”, where it is gradual and systematic in it’s progression. It gets deeper and deeper and the person decieved is swept along unawares because they have given themselves over to the “spiritual” aspects of the deception, the authority, the reputation of the “shepherd”/teacher/person leading them.

There are those that adhere to this ideology/doctrine as well as a pervasive understanding that this is a true “Biblical” and valid practice. So you will see it in many congregations in many forms and practices as it is passed down and taught in those congregations.

Some of those deceived are promoting the deception in a sincere heart to “serve” YHWH, but are in serious error and cannot see it.

Take everything to YHWH and Torah to test it. He clearly tells us Who is our Covering, the what’s and how’s of spirits, Who is our Authority, how the congregation His Body is to be led and by whom. Do prayerful inductive studies on these and do not follow any man except Yeshua as your Authority. It is so easy to be swayed into following, unquestioningly, a “good” teacher, an “annointed” pastor, etc.

Sorry for the book posts, maybe we need a separate post for this discussion.

YHWH is the head over all. And while He uses anointed ones to teach us, it is the Ruach who teaches (matt 23). A vessel for His using is one thing. A vessel that sets themselves up as leader over people is another matter.

Also, what time is it??
Time to take out big loans, buy fancy equipment to put in a building so we can congregate, while walking past the homeless, hungry, widows and orphans? That congregation is beginning to look like a church, only dressed up with tzitzit, motivational speaking/emotional pleas with a few Hebrew words. Sorry this will sound so harsh, but my goodness, I’m seeing now why I was wary of listening regularly over the past year. I was getting sleepy not wanting to offend anyone with the truth. Yah forgive me. Like Deb said, one cannot build a ministry without bricks and we are those potential bricks if we’re not discerning (we need to be unhewn stone; taught of the Ruach, led by Him solely…in other words, testing all things through Him – not labeling a man as ‘sound or safe’ and relying on him.)

We are PRESENTLY in a time of preparation. YHWH builds Y’shua’s Kingdom – not us. We are the stones – not the builder. We should be preparing to either to go into goshen (place of protection in the wilderness for the last 3.5 yrs) OR be ready to obey Abba in the face of what’s going to happen in this world very soon. Not building expensive places to congregate or lavish provisions on fancy equipment while many are hungry, poor, homeless; we should take care of widows, orphans & the downtrodden. Building a big fancy new building is building with bricks.

Yahuwah uses men He anoints, but few who are anointed keep to the Path without error. And that’s why it’s SO important for each of us to test all things through Him, and trust He will keep us from falling off the narrow path.

Hope this helps April. Shalom sister .

IMO, everything is not so black&white always if we hear “money”. I think it is a great thing that there’s high-quality TV-broadcast ministries and “free-time” ministries and individual “Bereans” doing their (Israel’s / our’s) priestly job. I know very well how to identify “kingdom builders” but I think hearing “money” doesn’t always make someone a “kingdom builder”.

I don’t underline everything neither here or elsewhere but I would avoid being too b&w and if we hear “money” we should not make too fast conclusions.

Blessings & shalom!

So, it’s probably best to go through each part…rest a bit and digest, then proceed onward. And if you have any questions – you could email Boaz. I emailed him and he answered and was very helpful. He was very humble and encouraging — not an air of ‘I know it all’ at all!!

Also, you could post any questions here too, for discussion. If we know, we’ll share. If we’re not sure – we’ll say we aren’t sure. At least I will and I’m fairly certain others will too.

Also, remember Revelations is written in a cyclical way — not linear, but you probably already know that.

I have been onto these teachings now for almost 2 months — if that gives you an idea of kinda how slow I’ve been taking it (or maybe it just shows how slow a learner I am lol). Anyway, be encouraged. I think these feast we’re doing now are really important. Shalom sister, xo

I understand that the 1st resurrection takes place at Y’shua’s 2nd coming, and the 2nd resurrection takes place at the end of the 7th day/millennium. I also understand the judgement takes place (books are opened…etc..) at the end of the 7th millennium and that’s when ALL will be judged (together…not once at the 6th day and once at the 7th day).

The weird thing for me recently, was that I already understood this (above). But because there were a few minor points that I hadn’t understood before – I began to wonder if I was off base with my above understanding. So, in the interest of remaining pliable in His Hands, I approached this with my hands up, asking Him to help me see. Anyway, some things are just cemented for me now which is wonderful. I still have some questions though (lol).

There are some other things that don’t quite make sense to me yet. Like, not all the dead being raised at the 2nd coming of Y’shua(?). Were these only the ‘priests and kings’ being raised who would rule and reign with Y’shua? Or all the righteous? Or is it that all the righteous would be priests and kings so that answers my question?

Also, when do the righteous ones get glorified bodies? I’m understanding presently that this in particular happens at the end of the 7th day when Y’shua hands over the keys to the Kingdom back to the Father. But I’m still studying (so am not settled on this just yet).

You said:

trying to see how the 3 1/2 yrs of great tribulation fits?

I’m wondering what you mean by that.
It’s my understanding (and belief) that Boaz is teaching that the 3 1/2 great tribulation begins at the midway point of the last 7yrs. And that we need to look at the picture of Joseph to see the pattern that will help us prepare (7yrs plenty, 7yrs famine) — so we have the oil (not foolish virgins!). Joseph is a picture of Messiah….Joseph ‘reveals’ himself to his brothers at a certain point and do so in private (a picture of Him meeting with us at an appointed time to cleanse us and so on). There’s more..hence why I recommended both Rob and Boaz’s teachings…they compliment each other’s teachings well and I’m not at a place yet where I could summarise it terribly well.

But, I digress….One really sobering thing that he and Rob Moore have found in scripture are the things that will render someone ‘Cut Off’ from Israel. One is keeping the Feast of ULB (scriptures says those who won’t keep it are cut off!). The other guideline has to do with being clean (Numbers 19) in order to reenter the camp (the Land! return from exile!). Num 19 is a picture of of the last 7yrs. According to Numbers 19, when/if you do something against Torah in the camp – you’re sent out for 7days (picture of our exile). Before gaining entry into the camp again (picture of us going back to the Land) one must prepare by being cleansed on the 3rd and 7th day. Then they can reenter the camp.

So applying this to the last 7yrs:
- we’d need to know what time it is, meaning we should know when the last 7 yrs begins (signs in the heavens help and that’s where Rob’s teaching helps!)
- we’d need to be keeping the Feasts (remember those who don’t keep ULB are cut off from Israel! see exodus)
- to be qualified to reenter the land, we’d need to be cleansed on the 3rd and 7th day/years of the last 7 yrs.
- the cleansing will be done by Y’shua (Shavuot? possibly) on the 3rd ‘day’ (3rd yr of the last 7yrs) – hence I believe this Shavuot could be so important to us
- we must keep ourselves clean until the 7th day (3rd yr of last 7 yrs) so that we’re prepared for
- the last cleansing on the 7th day (an appointed Feast at His coming).

Anyway, it’s all very meaty and I’m studying it out. This is the first teaching in a good while that I felt was true meat, thus why I shared it here. Shalom brother.

4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. 5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.

… on the Seventeenth day=17 and Seventh Month=July

So Syrian President Dr. Bashar al-Assad was also
Sworn in on the seventeenth day of the Seventh month of 2000 to on the start of the begining of the third day as 1000 years to us is like one day with the lord
and Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei of Iran’s Birth Day is 17 July 1939. so could both these guy be Antichrist and False prophet F.P. from Iran and A.C. from Syria. Hmmm
interesting. Interesting Indeed.

UGH! The enemy really does roam about seeking to devour prey. It’s always the truth mixed with lies …..

Well, I went to Jim’s Great Deception (as Deb said, appropriately titled) video and I posted a plea to him to repent of this. Let’s hope he’ll hear and seek Yah so he doesn’t dig himself a deep hole like so many seem to be doing right now .

Shalom and thanks again for sharing all this.