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What is the consensus concerning ‘worship music’ ? I recently attended a fellowship where the worship portion of the meeting included hip-hop and reggae styles of music. The words that were being sung were dedicated towards YHWH but the beats were right from the club. I had a difficult time with the music. I play saxophone and enjoy contemporary jazz because there are no words or singing but when I play to praise Him I do not use those kinds of tempos. Am I just set in what i think He receives from us in worship or am I correct that there is a place for dance music and it isn’t in worship to Him?
mike-bobbie-scott,
I used to have trouble with this as well…not so much any more. I believe it’s about the way we were raised and what “praise and worship” has meant to us growing up. It is my opinion that even metal music can be used for example in a video that describes the coming tribulation/judgment/destruction. And I believe that hip-hop, reggae, etc. can be used as tools to communicate with people who only understand and listen to that kind of music. I agree that NOT all genres are suitable for praise and worship (but I believe most are), but recently I was listening to a smooth-jazz tune (no words) with asian influence, it felt so awesome and spiritual, I immediately started praising and worshiping. Or, I was in Quebec at a Cirque du Soleil program in the street, totally by coincidence, and they were enacting these 2 tribes “battling” with their performances. I don’t know what it was really about, but to me the music felt so spiritual (and I actually think it was in Arabic) that I had this picture of all the tribes of the earth giving glory and praise to the Creator in the New Jerusalem (the dancers were all clapping and bowing down at the end, it was awesome). But, this is just me.
This is a subject I have been shying away from feeling like I might not be ready to add another morsel onto the growing plate of revelations since discovering the Hebrew Roots of our Messiah. However, it is clear that all areas of life and creativity have been mixed with “bad seed” by Ha Satan. It may be worth digging into the whole area of frequencies when it comes to worshiping our Elohim through music. I don’t know enough to expound but I’m just led to put that out. Finding the roots to everything certainly has uncovered things that I thought were innocuous only to find profane beginnings (Christian Holidays and Sunday worship only to name the obvious). I would be surprised if music were exempt from contamination beyond just lyrics.
Shalom!
I believe that worship and praise for the Israelites, included timbers, drums and musical instruments and dancing in the streets. I think its ok. As a jazz musician you know that tension and release causes the desired effect of the emotion you are trying to get across. Just as a percussionist or pianist or harp player uses beats and tempo to relate the mood of the player or players. The fact that the beat bothers you, may mean you have issues with the vision that it brings to your mind when you hear it. Sometimes you have to focus on the spirit of intention and not our own personal perception. Jazz at one time was considered evil.
Charlie Parker,Sonny Stit, Dizzy Gillespie all were considered the rock star of their day. Now, you hear chord voicings in arrangements of church music using disonant and harmonc voices that someone probably learned from listening to Stan Kenton albums.
I guess what I’m tring to get at, is the intention of the person using the tool is the spirit that is projected. If you have a preconceived spirit already working in your mind, it takes the dominant position. If the sender is of the right spirit, the receiver must be in the right frame of mind to worship and come to the understanding that it not about them. It is all about the worship of our Lord. Praise and worship includes a joyful noise. Sometimes we shout from a rooftop and sometimes we are supposed to be still and listen. All has its place.
I grew up on jazz, I was scatting like crazy when I was a baby to the music of famous jazz artists… to me it’s the best music ever (though I also enjoy different genres), except for heavenly music I’m sure
…let everything that has breath praise Yehovah.
Ahhh… remember the old vinyls? Wow… I didn’t grow up on Jazz but as a young adult I purchased an album, “Gato Barbieri Caliente!” and fell in love with the saxophone. My old turn table is no longer, or I’d listen to it again for fun, because of this, your reminder.
Yes, I am thankful to God for many things such as music and for friendships.
Praise Him indeed!
I used to have tons of vinyls…lots of fun.
The apostle Paul says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord but there are many more passages that say that in the grave we sleep and those who are awaiting the Great White Throne Judgement. so what is the Truth?
The Lord is everywhere, I believe Job says, even in the grave. I believe that without the body, the consciousness is in a state of sleep or semi-sleep, it would make sense… they’re NOT in heaven, that is a pagan belief.
They are both true. I think Paul is saying that in order to be present with the Lord you need to be absent from your existing body, but I don’t believe he was saying that at the moment of death one would be present with the Lord. That is why he said, those who are dead in Christ will rise first. They can not rise if they are already present.
Then why do so many preach that ‘they are in heaven’? While the Scriptures teach that they are quiet while in the grave. I do not believe in the doctrine of ‘soul sleep’ but they are at rest, are they not ?
I’m not sure what the doctrine of soul sleep is.
“Then why do so many preach that ‘they are in heaven’?”…They preach a lot of things that are unscriptural.
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
If the dead are in heaven they would know something, or be conscious, but the scripture says they know not any thing.
Is it possible that they can be revived temporarily from this “sleep”?
We have the case of Samuel being revived by the witch of endor. There is also Moses and Elijah appearing with Y’shua during the transfiguration.
We also have the example in Revelation of the souls of the martyrs being woken temporarily…they are told to continue resting.
Samuel asks, why did you disturb my rest?
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up?…
Rev 6:9 And when He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the beings of those having been slain for the Word of Elohim and for the witness which they held,
Rev 6:10 and they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Master, set-apart and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?â€
Rev 6:11 And there was given to each one a white robe, and they were told that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brothers, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
How can there be a resurrection of the righteous if they are already raised to heaven??
How can there be a resurrection of the unrighteous if they are being tormented in hell? If their resurrection is for the purpose of judgement, they can not present in hell, being punished, because they have not been judged yet. Judgment day comes after the millennial reign.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again [they are unconscious]until the thousand years were finished.
From what I understand, the soul/body/spirit are all separate, just housed together during a persons lifetime. Before Yashua made His sacrifice, the spirits of those who died went to Abraham’s bossom or to hell. When Yashua was dead those 3 days, He was in hell setting the captives free (releasing the captives to go to heaven). Now when we die, our spirits go straight to heaven or hell (to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord). The new bodies will be received when He returns…first to the dead then to the current living. The catching up in the air is when our spirits/souls get our new glorified bodies.
Someone please correct me with scripture if I am wrong. I am fairly new to coming out of the deception and am questioning everything I used to know as fact.
Brenda,
I used to believe that too…typical Christian doctrine. NOWHERE in the Bible! They take 2-3 verses (usually from “NT” only) and make up a doctrine. Heaven was NOT made for humans, but many humans (knowingly or not, like haSatan from whom they borrowed the idea) want to be in heaven. The Bible is clear that God gave the EARTH to humans… in another place it says, the righteous will NEVER be removed from the earth, but will inherit the earth (paraphrase).
The story of Lazarus and the rich man told by Yeshua fits the “OT” perfectly, but NOT the christian stories. The grave is made up of 3 compartments, for believers, unbelievers and a big gap between them. The believers in the grave are NOT captives, they are in Abraham’s bosom, in the presence of God or paradise (same place where the believing thief on the cross went as promised by Yeshua…Job says God is everywhere, even in the grave). The story of Samuel being summoned by the witch tells us how things go, what the dead are doing in the grave, being without bodies, their consciousnesses are in a state of sleep/rest/peace awaiting their new bodies on resurrection day. Bless you.
Brenda, I would ask you this concerning the idea of one’s spirit “going straight to heaven or hell”… If there were true, then what is the purpose of the judgement to come? What I mean is… when that time comes, will YHVH say, “Ooops! Sorry, John. I know that you’re spirit went to heaven when you died, but looking here in my records, it looks as though you should have gone to hell.” Now, I know that kind of statement may sound childish and maybe even a bit absurd, but just think about it. Over and over Scripture talk about “sleeping with your fathers” and resurrection from the dead UNTO a day of judgement.
I grew up under what sounds to be the same doctrinal understanding as you’re describing, but after looking through The Word, I can’t find evidence to support a “straight to heaven” ticket. Hope this helps.
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Why then would Paul make the point that it was far better to depart to be with Yeshua then to stay but he knew it was more needful to stay if he was only going to be sleeping or resting? That makes no sense at all
Curiosity question regarding the “seven year peace agreement” in the End Days considering the current events in the Middle East… What if the “agreement” is for peace primarily between the Arab nations with an “understanding” that until peace is sustained amongst themselves, none would attack Israel? Just a thought.
The agreement is pre-1967 borders (land for peace, which is Judea, Samaria (west bank), E Jerusalem, Gaza and Golan for a “palestinian” state) which is a covenant with death. Of course the Assyrian at the same time will partially and temporarily “calm down” the Arabs/Muslims thus bringing the “peace” that the Mahdi is told he will bring to the Middle East (and the world). In fact whenever he calls off the dogs (Hezbollah and Hamas and other similar organizations, ALL or MOST headquartered in Damascus, Syria) there is “peace”, and whenever he instigates them, the rockets start falling again.
What are people’s view on Jesus deity? Is he God Himself, is He part of the Godhead, is he a created being, etc. Please let me know.
Yeshua said I and the Father are one, I believe He is God manifest in flesh. This is another thought. YHVH is so powerful that human flesh can not live near his glory, He being all the omnis’ He is, That is His manifestation that can tabernacle with us. This is how I can place Him all through the Old Testament. Please note that I’m no teacher, this just kinda makes sense to me and helped me place Him from alpha to omega or as He would have said aleph to tav.
okay he also said the talmidim (disciples) are one. And scripture also says that yisrael rose up as one man. So this doesn´t imply that we are all the same.
One thing that took me away from the trinity is the following. Creator knows everything right?
If he knows everything that means that there is nothing that he is not aware of. If Messiah was YHWH in the flesh that´d mean that he knew everything. If that was the case than please explain marc 13, 28-31.
I seriously don´t want to offend anyone but please brothers and sisters we need to start using our brains. Everytime i was given “proof” of the trinity it was some kind of interpretation of what a certain word in one verse could mean related to another word in another verse and there was no clear quotation. And the question remains. This is such an important topic so why did messiah nevery clearly state:” I am your creator worship only me!” ?
Again…”one with YHWH (the MOST HIGH)” in NO WAY denotes EQUAL to YHWH, rather unified with him. Soon, ALL who reject that message, having heard will be ONE WITH the one who endeavored to be equal, haSatan.
Consider the following question:
1. Does “Jesus and God” being separate BUT co-equal contribute to rebellion against the creator?
The answer is yes…and you can’t have it both ways. The two parts of the creed are:
1. Separate (contributes to different rules to follow, Jesus’ rules that we cherry pick…out of context)
2. Co-equal (exposes the heart that has a desire to rebel, the problem from the beginning)
but yet one being…to which I agree with every Muslim who knows that there is one creator…STOP THE MADNESS!
Protesting Catholics (which we love and have as friends) do portay a “triangle, three leaf clover, etc…” because inside they know that a father is in charge though still not wanting to obey, confuse the issue while misrepresenting the ORIGINAL doctrine of…
Separate AND CO-EQUAL…which is NOT represented by a triangle OR a three leafed clover, as the top of that is the father.
Again, I would refer you to the video below asking you to notice the “heart’s cry” as the young lady (whom I bear witness with), raised in a Trinitarian environment ultimately cries out to at the height of her pleading.
It is and always has been about TWO…sons\daughters of righteousness and sons\daughters of wickedness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL0nDrEYDnk
I believe her to be singing to her bridegroom and her father in heaven and do know if I care if anyone agrees.
2:01 “Abba Father…we adore you!” and yet at the same time…”Jesus,” truth and fiction…
I will fight for her and multitudes like her and I know another that did and continues to do the same…
Whew. Pass a tissue. That was Awesome.
Oh shoot! I’m feeling like a wet blanket because as much as I thrilled to the beauty of the music, I couldn’t fully give my soul to praise along with the singer and the audience. I have been troubled ever since being awakened to the Hebrew roots of our Messiah and understanding how deceitfully misled I was about what the mixing of my christian faith had done with pagan beliefs and ties to their forms of worship and names/titles of their gods. Since then, my heart is pricked every time believers use names other than Yahushuah’s (and other variations) Hebrew name and pagan titles for our Elohim. The lyrics in the song often referenced the “holiness” of His name but then went on to not sing it except for once with “Abba” and then inadvertantly in “Halleluyah”. There was something creepy to me at the end when the producers used strobe lights (known to stimulate specific mental activity) at the climax to the song as if to manipulate maximum emotional response. (?!) I desire to praise our amazing set apart Elohim with other believers and try to overlook the name issue and glitzy productions but it seriously holds me back in corporate worship. Its the same to me as if I was loving my husband while calling him by the name of a former boyfriend….unthinkable. And, I keep being reminded of “worship in Spirit and in Truth”.
As to the relationship between YHVH and His Son. Doesn’t Their Names in Hebrew with all the meaning in each letter and the intimate connections reveal the answer? Could the strong arm reference in the Yud and the Nail of the Vav connecting the Heys say something? Does Yah’s Salvation, Yahushuah, instantly and continually draw us to the Father? Until we are prepared to behold Him without being destroyed by the intense light of His presence, He extends His strong Right Arm (Yahushuah) to rescue, redeem, shephard and hold us. HalleluYAH! Hear oh Israel, Yahuah is your Eloha, Yahuah is One. Blessed is He who comes in the name of Yahuah!!
Shalom to all who look to His coming!!
Irene, I echo your sentiments. And I simply love Abba’s language, it has helped me a great deal. May Yah baruch you and keep you.
Early Shabbat Shalom to all!!
Early Shabbat Shalom my beautiful friend
Lorenz,
You asked, “This is such an important topic so why did messiah nevery clearly state:†I am your creator worship only me!†?”
He did! In many places! He said, “I and the Father are Echad (One)” and many places He said, “I AM”, and He told us that we are to Worship the Father! He did not want us to worship His ‘nefesh’, fleshly soul, Son of Man. That is what He meant when He said that we can blaspheme the Son of Man and be forgiven but if we blaspheme the Ruach HaKodesh we will have committed an eternal sin.
YHVH is Spirit and we must worship Him in spirit and in Truth!
Yeshua is YHVH! Not His flesh, but His Ruach! The Ruach HaKodesh! It is very simple but we have been so beaten over the years with this trinity doctrine from hell that tries to make us idolaters and polytheists that it is difficult for us to see the plain Truth! The Great Whore of Babylon has disguised herself as an angel of light and has went out and deceived the nations for the past 1700 years. Now we are living in a new era! Praise Yah! Our eyes are being opened again to His Torah and if we look closely we will discover Who YHVH is. He wants us to know who He is. He gave us His Name and told us to swear by it.
When Yeshua died, He died as a man. When He arose, He arose as YHVH Eloheim. Not the Father! But YHVH none the less. We have YHVH the Father, YHVH the Son, and YHVH the Ruach HaKodesh. He is One. How He chooses to manifest Himself Himself is His business and a mystery to us. When we worship YHVH we worship Yeshua, but not His earthly nefesh.
I am probably butchering this whole concept, however, I can’t explain it any other way.
well as i said he also said the talmidim are ONE. and scripture also say that yisrael rose as ONE man.
and again please answer the question about marc 13,28-31. if we can´t do that persuasively we cannot believe in messiah being the creator.
and actually you´ve said it yourself. the way you´ve explained it is so complex i really find it hard to believe it to be true. and how can messiah be the ruach. they are seperate.
peace be upon you
Some thoughts to ponder regarding “Where are we all headed when this body stops functioning.
I’m sure most will agree that “YHVH is Ruach, and those who worship Him must do so in Ruach and in Truth.”
I’m also sure most of us will agree that without the Ruach that Eloheim breathed into our nostrils at birth, we would only be a dead piece of meat that our parents may have chosen to have the hospital dispose of.
When Sha’ul stated that, “To be absent from the body is to be present with YHVH.” He was basically referring to the text spoken by Shlomo in Ecclesiastes 12: 7, “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was; and the spirit shall return to God who gave it.” (KJV), or, in the JPS Tanach,”And the dust returns to the ground As it was, And the lifebreath returns to God who bestowed it.”
When He returns, He will bring back that “Breath of Life” which is the “Breath of YHVH” and reunite it with the dust that was our bodies and we will have new bodies like unto His Glorious Body. This should answer Greg’s question as to how can they rise if they are already present. Although it was not a question as I recall but a statement of fact. “They cannot rise if they are already present. Got to disagree with my brother Greg on this one. It is the nefesh that will rise and be changed. The Ruach of the person is with YHVH! Now, as to soul sleep, it depends on ones definition of the soul. My definition is the soul is the nefesh, therefore it does sleep in the earth, but the spirit of the man which is the Breath of YHVH breathed into the man returns at the moment of death to YHVH who gave it.
Our nefesh, or soul, is made up of everything that our bodies contain, EXCEPT, our Ruach, which is the Breath of YHVH who created us. The nefesh that sins, it shall die. Why, because the Breath of a Pure Creator cannot reside in a nefesh that is rebellious. Sin, in this instance, is Willful, Highhanded, Rebellious, Thumbing the nose at YHVH! All the rest, grace takes care of thorough Yeshua HaMashiach who is the Second Adam and our Advocate.
Brethren, To be absent from the nefesh is to return to YHVH who owns us. If we are sinful souls, He has already taken it and we are walking dead men.
Don’t like my theology, get your own. LOL!
I like it, and I concur.
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Paradise ain’t dirt. Smiley face.
As for the music issue.
I have no Scripture to apply to that, but, I do know what my spirit, which is the breath of YHVH experiences when I see this mix (Unique choice of words don’t you think) of worship of YHVH and the music of the world, or the heavymetal satanic beats. It is a sense of disgust, anger, loathing, and I immediately look for an escape as if I were dwelling in the midst of the adversaries own flock.
It saddens me greatly to see the people of YHVH reaching out to the world to try and win the young people. We are supposed to be snatching them out of the fire, not singing them hymns while they continue to burn!
A little strong you say? So be it! I will stand and beat hasatan in the face regardless of how many it may offend. If you are offended, you just might be standing too close to the wrong camp.
But, I always like to add on issues like this one. THAT IS MY HUMBLE OPINION! (caps for emphesis, not yelling.)
A submittal to the music question, as I mentioned before, I’m no teacher but starving for knowledge. I’m now 50 and retired from the music business, In another room in my house is a full blown Pro Tools studio with all the modern goodies that can be had. About 5 years ago when the scales fell from my eyes and the Torah way of life took hold, thank you YHVH, I started looking at all this stuff (musical gear) with disdain and couldn’t figure out why. In my research I found out these facts. As with a lot of confusion in the western world it started when the roman catholic church stole some things from the Temple. One of these documents had a musical scale on it. It had six notes on it, not seven like we use today. When they got this information home they wrote what I think to be the first gregorian chant named St. John the Baptist. Well the first time they sang it, extraordinary things happened. It frightened them so they put it on a shelf after they changed one note and added another. It is no surprise to me that modern music (rock, metal and most others) are centered around these new frequency changes. If you like Rico Cortes and trust him as I do, he explains this in a teachers fashion. This study is called 144,000 and the song of Moses. You will find it here. There is 12 parts, I hope this helps you as much as it has helped me.
Shabbat Shalom …tim…
1.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7abOwoAeJM&feature=related
Oops, I probably should not have put the 1. before the link to Rico Cortes’ study 144,000 and the song of moses, I’ll try again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7abOwoAeJM&feature=related
I don’t agree with Rico’s teaching on the frequencies, I believe it to be based on just mystic fairy tales, but wow, ProTools? Cool…I use Cubase
Larry,
Why do you believe it to be mystic fairy tales??
I used to be pretty good at (real) science and from my studies, there is no proof for those “frequencies” and it is pretty clear they are based on mysticism, NOT on the Bible and NOT on (real) science.
Did you see the pictures in the video how the language effected the shape of the water molecule?
Nope…the problem with stuff like that is 1. it is NOT in the Bible, NOR is in (real) science, so 2. it is open to tons of speculations more often than not by untrained people. The result is…craziness, lol
Larry,
You post here about the electric universe. I thought you were talking about the same thing..from what I could tell in that video and what you say here as well? what’s the difference between what you two are saying?
Larry
March 18, 2011 at 10:24 pm
• don’t forget that even the stars will not give their light…no eclipse there, imho this can only be explained (so far) by the electric universe in which stars are electric in nature (NOT “nuclear furnacesâ€), kind of like neon lights, minimize or cut the electric output to a specific part of the galaxy…oops 1/3 of stars in the sky are switched off
Like I said earlier I don’t agree with everything the electric universe teaches, but some of their stuff is interesting and much closer to what the bible teaches. For example they say that the universe is much smaller and younger than it is generally taught, the grand canyon according to them was created almost instantly by huge bolts of lightning, etc. The electric universe has to do with electricity (electric and electromagnetic forces and fields and their huge implications) in space, not frequencies in speech, water or music. I hope this helps brother.
ok i see the difference. You say only in space whereas Rico says speech water and music. thank you Larry
Well, if you insist
, electricity is present from the macro-cosmos (according to the electric universe proponents) to the micro-cosmos, but in those particular cases, I was referring to the macro-cosmos, huge electrical discharges among celestial bodies which (God through them) can create or destroy. But, I don’t believe what Rico teaches on “frequencies” is correct for the reasons I mentioned (plus sound is NOT electricity, but vibration in air or water). These teachings ultimately lead to not needing Messiah anymore (willingly or not, I am sure unwillingly in Rico’s case), we all treat ourselves with these frequencies, repair our DNA, eat perfect food and drink perfect kangen water and will live forever. This is glorifying/trusting in the creation/visible and not the Creator/invisible in a more fancy and pseudo-scientific way.
Abba’s speech of course is another thing, and His speech is in us.
I love our brother Rico, but I believe he reads way too much rabbinical stuff which includes kabbalah/mysticism and this is the reason he has these teachings, he also advertises kangen water which is another mystical nonsense…lol
I have missed out on the Kangen water discussions?? what is that?
oh no, pleeease…
LOL,
I seen a few of you laughing about this on another post had new idea what you were talking about??
I think it a mistake to seperate science from scripture, man look around you.
I’m not talking the doctrine of science. The pure language is sound ie.. tone ie.. frequency. Our Creater spoke the world into existance. And brother Rico is not the only watchman that subscribes to this understanding. One of the frequencies out of those six I mentioned earlier is mi 520 hz. in a science lab today that freq. repairs damaged dna, Documented fact. That helps me understand ressurection, in fact all I can say is WOW. Another documented fact is in a dark room put a drop of water in a whatever they call that little round glass dish, and you subject it to a certain freq it creates light, wow again. When it comes to how we Praise our Lord we are all wrong in one way or another, that is why Yeshua will teach us in the millennium, One thing I think about the remnant is that they will not seperate each other because how you praise YHVH. Brother Rico challenges you to not take his word, look it up for yourself, and he shows you where to look. Brothers stick together, now, time is short!!!
Definitely there is stuff still unknown to science, and this is where pseudo-science nonsense U-tube is filled with comes into play, they call it real, documented fact, science, etc. I believe less than 1% is real, while 99% is like I said more “evolved” fancy mysticism, or mysticism with a pseudo-scientific twist. We should focus on the INVISIBLE Creator and STOP this madness. I know what Rico says, but he should do the same, he has a great heart and gift from Abba.
Larry, I agree, the enemy has lied, stolen, and twisted things from the beginning with intent of death (seperation from life (Abba’s words). I also see how the “either”, “or”, thinking has tried to divide the spirit from the natural, when they can both reveal Abba’s word when rightly understood in Yeshua.
Shalom, The sun has set here, Praise Yah for Shabbat!
His words are spirit and life.
I have tons more and not from the same source. But I will now dust off my shoes and hands and move on now. To all that keep Torah and have the testamony of Yeshua, unity is the key. Shalom …tim…
Timothy Rosenberg,
Wow, you enlightened us on frequencies like a drive-by typing and that’s it? God bless you…just one more thing, unity of spirit and unity of flesh are 2 very different things, I choose the first.
Oh, and if understood in a Hebraic way it is scriptual.
I am no drive by, I just know when I run into somebody that is into confrontation, It is perfectly fine to disagree with something someone says but when you say their name in a public forum and accuse them of mysticism and tell the world what he should do, and in the same posts say that Abba gave him a gift. I know this man, he IS a man of God.
What you’ve done here is considered gossip and I will have no part of it. My Torah says that if you disagree with someone you take it up with him. I didn’t set out to enlighten anyone, I don’t have the wisdom, everything I wrote is in that link that I posted. after all the things you said about Rico, how can you then you then say enlightened anyway. I now wonder if you read what I wrote, or even seen the video. What do you do wait around for new people so you can tell them how smart you are. If I keep hearing the likes of this, I will be a drive by typist. I only reason I came here because I think Scot Dryer is awesome, Maybe he can explain which of your many unitys I am speaking of. If this gets moderated, I’m sorry. I need to work on how I handle confrontation. Peace
Timothy Rosenberg,
You got it all wrong brother. You don’t know me, nor do you know this blog. Stick around and maybe you will get to know us. I have always had good words about Rico, NO gossip! What I said regarding “frequencies” was said in love, as the smilies that I inserted clearly show. IT IS mysticism which is also what kabbalah is. Like I said, although I don’t personally know Rico, I consider him a great brother, I love him, he has a great heart, but he is completely wrong on “kangen water” and 99.9% wrong on the “frequencies”. There is NO need for me to confront him in private on these matters, and there is NO reason why I should not mention his name publicly, NOWHERE does it say I have to do this. You said “My Torah says that if you disagree with someone you take it up with him.” NO, it does NOT say when you “disagree”, but “if thy brother shall TRESPASS against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone”. Rico has never trespassed against me.
LOL! Kangen Water! haha
“For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.” Zephaniah 3:9 KJV
“Then I will purify the speech of all people, so that everyone can worship the LORD together.” Zephaniah 3:9 NLT
But for now we all have our own preferences…likes and dislikes. Duncan submitted a post with a link to a song titled “Homeward Bound” by Deanne Glenn. I personally love the song…slow piano, words you can actually hear and understand and relate to. I also enjoy listening to some contemporary worship songs as long as I can hear and understand them and they have truth in them.
Until that day when Abba purifies our language completely for us to worship Him I try to be careful with what I allow in my hears and heart. Grocery store music sometimes stays with me until I tune it out with other music that points to Abba. We are such strange creatures.
Timothy Rosenburg,
If you are still around brother, welcome to the blog. We want you here. We love you in Yeshua.
I for one am in your camp on this one. While I can’t know for sure about these frequencies things, I do know Rico. I have ate with him and prayed with him and know he is a wonderful man who loves YHVH/Yeshua. I have seen the teaching you referred to and I believe it has a lot of merit. There are many things that we cannot prove at this time but as time grows nearer we grow wiser. It was not long ago that we all who came out of the Constantinian groups called about anything having anything to do with anything Jewish, “mysticism” or worse. Father forgive us!
I personally can’t see where this teaching on music frequencies take anything away from Scripture nor add anything to it. It is an interpretation. A new one. It has done nothing to turn me to paganism or idolatry or to deny YHVH or Yeshua. It has only given me one more wonderful thing to praise Him for, just as I do in all His Creation. Praise Yah.
Don’t shake off the dust just yet. We are good people here. We are your brothers and sisters. Stay and fellowship with us.
David
David, I thank you very much for your reply, I do not handle these things well. I too have met Rico many times and have recorded a conference he was part of, audio and video, over 24 hours worth. When you do three months of video editing, you really get to know a persons demeaner, at times way too much. I have no idea why I came back here, after loosing sleep last night thinking about how Rico would feel after reading what was said about him. The reason I mentioned this particular study is that it is immediatly accessible and free. And he speaks in a passion and simplicity that most can understand. It was actually Brad Scott that sparked my interest in this many years ago. About 5 years ago after a time of studying Torah and living the lifstyle, everything I tried to write (music) just wasn’t cutting it anymore. That was devestating to me because it was the only way I knew how to communicate effectivly. (well it was the only way people could stand me) So there starts the search. Modern science states that there are 70 known octaves. Humans can only hear 11. I submit YHVH has more than that, we don’t have the equipment to detect more than 70. every thing has a sound, including electricity. It seems that since we have the knowlege of good and evil, we have also ruined good music. I’m still researching this.
As for the water issue, I dont know of this Kagen stuff, But I did do as Rico suggested as looked for myself. In my research I found a scientist in Japan from no religious doctrine, well maybe the doctrine of science. His name is Masaru Emoto. His book is named The True Power of Water. Our study group tried the experiments that we were capable of and it does have merit. And as far as Scripture goes on these subjects. The world was spoken into existance, if you drink My water you will never thirst. in the final restoration the rocks will be a witness against the unjust. not to be confused with Yeshua the rock, the word, the living water, etc…, Every interpretation to date is littered with lies, bad agendas, well you know what I mean. I’m sure I’m wrong about a lot of things, we all are. I long for the day Yeshua will be our teacher. What a wonderful peace it will be to not have to weed through all the lies, and use all this time serving my King. …tim…
Timothy Rosenberg,
You said “I have no idea why I came back here, after loosing sleep last night thinking about how Rico would feel after reading what was said about him.”
You are probably referring to when I said “We should focus on the INVISIBLE Creator and STOP this madness. I know what Rico says, but he should do the same, he has a great heart and gift from Abba.” It is CLEAR I was referring to frequencies and kangen water, because Rico has numerous great teachings where he focuses on God, as I said in ALL my comments. I used to be pretty good at science, and like I said, those things are NOT science, but pseudo-science which have the potential to discredit Rico, the believers and faith in general as people have told me after watching/listening to those teachings of Rico’s. ALL I’ve said was said in love, because I care about the truth (as I’m sure you do), I care about Rico and the people watching those teachings and reading these things. It was NOT said to put Rico down or insult him, God forbid, I don’t even know him.
There is a serious website (among others) that belongs to a university professor of chemistry where “Kangen water” and that Japanese guy you mention are completely debunked and refuted. I would NOT talk about these things if I didn’t know what I was talking about. And like I said, EVEN if these teachings were true (which they are NOT), they lead people to focus on the visible/creation and NOT the invisible/Creator. Think about it, why would I need the Creator/Messiah/salvation when I can treat myself with these frequencies, drink kangen living water, repair my DNA and live forever? This focus is unhealthy and a DECEPTION through and through.
I like your style Mr. David. Reasoned and wise.
lets get this BACK ON TOPIC everyone…
“Today in Egypt there is a 50% chance of weather but only a 10% chance of that…”
HAHA.
Scot, What? “Today in Egypt there is a 50% chance of weather but only a 10% chance of that…â€
I understand BACK ON TOPIC …
Ohh, you mean ” now we see through the glass dimly ” ?..
Scot, Have you seen this: Ohh, you mean †now we see through the glass dimly †?..
I may have just never heard that expression.
Is that what you were meaning? sorry if I’m missing something obvious
Shalom Scot,
If I was off topic forgive me.
I scrolled back up to the top of the page and the first post was about worship music. So, obviously I thought this was on subject to talk about worship music and also to welcome another brother in our company here.
Also, this is a good time to bring up the subject. Often I find no Post or Topic at the top of the comments. Is there something I am missing with this relatively new format? Am I on a page 2 or something? I have had trouble navigating this new format for some time now.
So, educate me brother. What is the topic we are supposed to return to?
I have no idea what kagan water is and I thank ABBA that I don’t! Please? No one tell me what it is!
I have no idea whether what ever it is has any healing values as hinted at, but one thing I do know, it sure has a way of dividing brothers.
As a Son of Abraham who was raised in Torah I would like to comment about gossip and rebuking in a Torah Community even if it is off topic. Gossip and rebuking are not the same thing in Torah.
Idle Gossip is tale bearing and is destructive as it tears down a neighbor and the community maliciously and is forbidden.
Rebuking a neighbor is a commandment of Torah and builds up the community and may be done in public or private as the situation deems. If someone’s makes a false statement publicly, it is completely appropriate to rebuke him in public. Consider the stoning of Stephen. Stephen publicly rebuked the Elders. Jesus publicly rebuked the Scribes and Pharisees. Jesus publicly rebuked the ‘den of thieves’.
The power of life and death is in the tongue. Gossip leads to death, rebuking leads to life.
The Torah teaches open rebuke in many places. I believe this scripture is the very best blog etiquette. Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than love carefully concealed.
So let me give an open rebuke that is totally appropriate in a Torah Community! ïŠ
If a man is rebuking a false teaching that is not based on scripture it is against Torah to accuse him of idle gossip. When someone is falsely rebuked (it happens) let him be a man, stand up and give an answer to his teaching based on scripture followed by forgiving men their trespasses.
That’s Torah! ïŠ Smiling face means love of brothers!
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Whoa..?
Amein!!!!!!!
Well played Steven. Bottom line… toughen up! Sheesh. Touchy, touchy. If your skin is that thin– go play in the sandbox. Brother.
Well, moderator,
You removed that about one second before I did a little rebuking of my own. Thank you for removing it. I tried to show some love and grace to this person and welcome him to the blog. I feel like I have been spit on. May YHVH forgive him.
Thanks again for removing it.
David
I was watching a movie called “Yentl” the other day and in the film they are discussing the creation of woman in Genesis, where “ribs” could also mean “side.” So Elohim took one of Adam’s sides and made Havvah.
Yesterday I decided to check this out, and low-and behold the word can be translated as side. There is also only 1 other place in scripture where “ribs” is used, Daniel 7:5:
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and [it had] three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
I’ve often wondered why the second beast had ribs in its mouth… It may be no coincidence that I did this little study after watching Mr. Dryer on Light of the Southwest either (on the program he briefly explains the bear is Persia). So I looked up “ribs” in this context – a different word than in Genesis. In Daniel 7:5 the word for ribs is Strongs Hebrew #5967 עֲלַע pronounced ‘al-ah’
How awesome is that?
hi everyone,
isn’t alah also the word for curse?
hello,
my apologies if this is out of place; i’ve registered but i am unfamiliar with the method of creating topics in this structure, so i’ve decided to post this comment here. i’ve been reading the material with great interest and would enjoy discourse over a great many topics. the site owner and i seem to have very similar views, but there are some significant bits of information that are a little different. i am interested in hearing what others have to say on this matter, i will not go into other topics but i do have two things to mention here:
1- has anyone else considered the times in scripture which mention specific dates, and whether these may be related to the end of the age? for instance, we read in scripture that the king of babel arrived to besiege jerusalem on the 10th day of the 10th month. it had always been a question of mine as to the significance of these dates in scripture- e.g. why did God specifically have the day and month to be recorded?
2- i am not disputing this syrian king’s possible role in these days, but i would like to hear what consideration, if any, has been given to barack obama as antichrist. consider this one’s campaign for president of america. he arrived on the scene out of virtually nowhere, he was receieved with great dulation by not only america, but the world community. people took pictures of jesus and put obama’s face over His. children sang songs about their belief in obama, and he was called “savior”; he was called “messiah” and newsweek called him “the god of all things” on the cover of their magazine. the new york post ran an article about “o my god the dems erect obama temple” for the acceptance speech at denver. he made jokes about “rumors that i was born in a manger” and how he would complete such and such work and then “rest” as if it was a joke that this messianic fervor existed among his followers. there is much more, but these things alone strike me as very , unusual, to say the least.
no matter how i look at prophecy, i cannot disregard such a blasphemous series of events, and my attention turns back to this man, this ‘messiah’. his place of origin is also disputed to this day by even many of the secular.
thanks, and i am sorry again if protocol and etiquette have been breached by my comment here, it is difficult for me to figure out the structure of this board.
philadelphia
Welcome to the blog Philadelphia,
I agree with you on point 1 that the date probably will have an end time significance. That is definitely something to keep an eye on. Asking good questions is always a good starting point to understanding.
Regarding point 2, I’m sure he will play a significant part. The scriptures speak of the end time bad guy as the King of Babylon, the Syrian, the prince of Tyre, so I don’t think Obama fits that, but he may very well play a significant part. It seems he will not be on “our” team.
Scot/Wierdbeard is the owner of the blog. He only allows certain people to create new posts. If there is a topic you would like to discuss just mention it, it as you did, and one of the admins can create a post for you.
This recent post should be right up your alley.
http://profoundprophecy.com/2011/04/dr-manning-interviews-avi-lipkin-of-israel/
Hello All,
I have a couple of questions. i am learning so much these days and am trying to gain clarity. My question is where does the U.S. fit into end times Scripturally? Also, is the great tribulation started by an all out World Wide WWIII? Or is this war in the Middle-East strictly regional to that area specific?? I do read scripture, but sometimes get a little turned around regarding what has already happened in the past and what is still yet to come. I humbly appreciate your feedback.
Hi, coberdove!
“where does the U.S. fit into end times Scripturally?”
It doesn’t. At least not significantly. The only places the U.S. seems to be mentioned are generally (scripture stating the nations will be judged by certain criteria) and in the Daniel reference where AC will come against “the mightiest fortresses” which is presumably referring to the U.S. amongst other nations.
We should not expect every nation to have its own mention in scripture. Doing so leads to bad interpretations, IMO. We belong to the nation of Israel; any citizenship other than that is a temporary affair!
“Also, is the great tribulation started by an all out World Wide WWIII?”
That isn’t necessary, but it isn’t impossible either. I expect that Syria will cross the borders along with Hezbollah and Iranian support. The rest of the world will sue for peace, likely resulting in treaties that divide the Beautiful Land and start the great tribulation.
coberdove,
It actually depends on whether you are speaking of the US as a government entity and land mass, or a people.
Northern Kingdom Israelites were scattered throughout the world. Read Hosea. They will also be regathered. The Western nations or land masses contain the majority of these scattered Israelites according to scholars such as Yier Davidi and Stephen Collins. So there are masses of Northern Kingdom Israelite descendants in the US.
As a result, all prophecies of an attack on Israel in the last days would include the US and other Western Nations. The prophecies are to people, not land masses. I am not saying that the actual land of Israel is not included or does not hold the primary position, of course it does. It is the heart of the conflict land wise. However, The Beast, Islam, or the enemies of the Almighty YHVH will attack His People wherever they are found.
So YES! The US is in prophecy.
Regarding WW111, The above would obviously necessitate that it be a world wide conflict. It is already happening. Remember 9-11.
This is how we fit into the picture. Along with all other non islamic countrys. Although Norway has been in Al Qaeda cross hairs for some time, they will need no other motivation then the belief they are mandated by Alah. I believe we will see an increase in this activity as September draws near.
Norway blast kills 7, rocks PM office
http://shiapost.com/?p=4002
Shalom Out, Deb
Thank you all for your comments. Lets just say that I was indoctrinated long ago……….first by the JW’s as a child to teen years….UHG…..then in the current religious system. Religion itself is such a disappointment. The church that I belong to, studies Torah and I can’t tell you how freeing that is! I understand YHVH from a totally different perspective. However, you all are much more versed in bible knowledge than I.
Current religious systems have the idea that when we die we go to heaven. I myself have always been uncomfortable with this idea because as stated above: ” The Bible is clear that God gave the EARTH to humans… in another place it says, the righteous will NEVER be removed from the earth, but will inherit the earth (paraphrase).” Therefore, I believe this. I mean what would have been the whole purpose of the Earth being created to start with, if our final destination is heaven? It has never made any sense to me. But here is were I get confused and I know this is from the enemy, because Abba is not a God of confusion. Towards the end of “the Great Tribulation” there will be a time where YHVH’s people ARE taken out before “the great day of God’s Wrath”. That said, if we are not destined for heaven but meeting Yeshua in the air to be with Him, where then would we be during this time? My other question is where in the world did this idea come from that we all die and go straight to heaven? If you all could please provide scripture to back this up that would be helpful as well as educational for me to minister to others as well. Please be patient with me bothers and sisters as I am UNLEARNING from heavy, heavy indoctrination.
Blessings,
Cat
Greetings All,
I think I just answered my own questions above by watching Scot’s video’s on YouTube. Lol. Anyhow, still reading, still digesting, still praying for Abba to show me how it all fits together. You know………once truth seeps into your knowledge-bank it’s as if the clouds dissipate like vapor. Wow….I am in awe at how magnificent He is! When we remove ourselves from our own humanistic pedestal’s, we begin to see just how minute we really are. There is no comparison.
Blessings,
Cat
Hi, can anyone tell me Scots email address? I have found something in the scriptures that I want to share with him to see if I have lost the plot or if I am actually right.
You can find it on the “Contact” page. On the top site menu, far right hand side, go to About -> Contact. All the info is there (or just click on this link and it will take you straight there.
I wanted to share a couple of dreams that I had over the past couple of nights. In the first one I was in the land surrounded by many Ephraimites. I knew that they were Ephraim because we were all gathered together as one, with one heart, singing and praising Yah! We also all had talits with tzitzits that had blue chords tied into them and were dressed in white and very light blue linen. We were all in one accords and were witnessing to passerby’s who were tourists with shopping bags. As they heard the truth, they would leave their shopping bags and join us. It was very exciting.
That was two nights ago. Then last night I had some very vivid dreams that I am still trying to make out, but this morning as I woke a voice still echoed in my mind and the words that I heard were quite clear. Here is what it said “The Mighty One of Israel will return in our lifetime.”
And that’s it, those were my dreams recently.
That’s people, leaving Christmas, imho.
A previous Post, “The 8 Pointed Star, Astrology, The Occult, Islam, Catholicism & Protestantism” and others on this subject helped to remove the veil that kept me blinded to how subtlety the faith of my fathers had compromised with the occultic practices of the cultures they found themselves in instead of obeying the commands (Deut. 4:2, 12: 3,4, 29-32; Lev. 18:30; Jer. 23:27; Hos. 8:10, 12; Mk. 7:7 to name only a few) to destroy such practices along with their images. This has resulted in a thorough audit that found me hauling load after load of books, decorations, music, clothing to the trash heap. After a lifetime of being steeped in “religion” there seems to be no end to the “leaven” that has seeped into my life so the housecleaning goes on inside and out as follow the path of Yahushuah Ha Maschiac. Which, leads me now to the burning question that has led me to this post. Is modern Judaism exempt? It has happened that as I have gone about the work of removing profane symbols from my life, I have discovered that even the roots of the “Star of David” leads directly back to Nimrod via Solomon’s Shield as influenced by King Solomon’s pagan wives. This did not take a lot of work to uncover via a simple internet search beginning with Wikipedia since it is a common historical record. Why then are so many Messianic followers displaying this flag? Having fled the lies inherited from the Protestant denominations are we overlooking the work that still is not finished? Having “burned” sun discs and steeples are we stopping at the occultic Penta/hexagrams used in the “Star of David”? I am troubled by this. If I am not thinking straight or have missed something please show me. I love and support the Nation of Israel and see Judah as a brother so if they are caught in stuff that is not rooted in Life – we need to be as vigilant with them as we are with the religions we have come out of. It seems that there remains a “coming out of” for them as well. Unless…my understanding is scewed. I’m open to be taught.
Irene, that’s a good observation and IMO, shows you are hearing from the Ruach haKodesh, for he was sent to reprove the world of sin.
“And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded. Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant. Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father’s sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son. Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant’s sake, and for Jerusalem’s sake which I have chosen.â€
Irene, what you’ve expressed is what I understand. So, I don’t think you’re off base.
It is apparent to me, that we are ALL subject to being tricked into thinking we’ve arrived….without our noticing it. Thank Abba, He convicts us…..and this highlights the absolute need (to me) that we must must must keep ourselves humble before Him so our hearts don’t grow hard from pride creeping in.
I pray regularly that He creates in me a clean heart and renews a right ruach within me. And then I believe and trust He will do that. Believe me sister…there are days when I’ve screwed up so badly, and the adversary is right there whispering to me that Abba won’t possibly forgive me AGAIN. Don’t listen to any such notions….Abba wants us to immediately keep turning toward Him when we mess up…and trust in Yahushuwah’s atoning blood.
(I’m not advocating anyone to go on sinning..I’m speaking of those who are genuinely seeking Abba….whilst residing in this flesh).
Anyway, sister…keep close to Him. And remember, He NEVER fails us, leaves us, or misleads us.
Shabbat shalom:)!
p.s. I meant to add that I believe Judaism is as rife with traditions as much as xtianity. NEITHER religion is ‘clean’ or pure.
When I came out of the church/babylonian-system – I was so alone – isolated..and Abba cautioned me so strongly to be very careful where to ‘step next’. I tried to find a ‘Messianic Congregation’….nope…coulnd’t find one near me. (I thank Abba for that too!)
When I came across Messianic stuff on the net, I had a strong caution in my ruach about diving in to find meat. So I held off. And waited on Him (that was hard, btw).
Then I found Hebrew Roots…but Abba cautioned me to be very careful…to proceed slowly (about what and who to listen to and to chew the meat and spit out the bones). Basically, I’m learning that no group or movement has it all down…we ALL see through a glass darkly. And it’s only by remaining close to Yahushuwah, that we are safe from being led astray. In other words…test all things, test the spirits, lean not on our own understanding, and pray for Him to clean our hearts daily, along with praising Him (that stops the adversary in his tracks!)..
….and I’m currently learning to pray ‘unceasingly’; keep my mind focused on Him all the time. I’m not always successful, but you know what? My mind is on Him WAY more now than even a year ago…. When compared to 5 years ago? Massive changes. Keep seeking Him sister:). Fellowship is great — just keep Him front and center in your focus
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As for the use of images, including the star of “David” and the cross I feel we should be very cautious.
Amein brother!
Shabbat shalom everyone
Thank you so much once more all of you (Steve, Lisa, GregM)! Since I don’t have a local group of believers to fellowship with, you fill the need to bounce my thoughts around with others who seeking to live lives that are pleasing to YHVH – is that Midrashing? What a blessing you and this site are for “lost sheep” like myself!! (Lisa love your avatar. That’s us isn’t it?!!)
I came across a teaching by Rico Cortez (am I remembering his name correctly?) where He introduces the idea Solfeggio frequencies and their impact in our physical/spiritual worlds. Dr. Imoto’s (man I think I’m butchering his name too!) wellknown experiments with water uses this assumption and it is interesting to see how positive/life affirming words & ordered classical music in specific fequencies produce beautiful structures at its molecular level. One of these structures is a perfect crystalized version of a Hexagram. Could it be that this form was enlisted by Nimrod for his own profane purposes to confuse and destroy it’s original intent? So that, “while there is a history of misuse for the hexagram, there may be a proper place in the Master’s grand design?” as well said by Todd Bennett when I posed this question. It also causes me to wonder whether the use of this symbol by the modern state of Israel is just one of the reasons why the enemy is so enraged against her as he has tried for so long to hide it’s proper use within YHVH’s creation. Is it something that Yah is wanting His Bride to recover & restore? … Full of questions and waiting on the Ruach’s leading and revelation. Blessings and Shalom
Consider the snowflake…
In addition to snowflake there a shape of 6 pointed star in a lily. Lily is very “biblical” flower.
Hi, I come to this site often for news feeds, updates and to view the latest blogs. I would be willing to say that 99.99999 percent of people on this blog site have never seen my posts. Thats because Ive never posted. Well here is a little about what i do, and what i believe. There is a new Assembly starting up in my area and i would like to post a description of it for those whom would be interested? We are a Hebrew oriented assembly founded upon the mission of the Messiah Yahshua. To teach His Word (Torah) pointing to the Messiah. Showing who He was in the Torah, as well as the entire Tanakh. (Torah, Writings, and the Prophets). Here at TRF we do believe in the entire Bible: The Brit Chadashaha (Fulfilled Covenant) as well as the Apocrypha. What People and Religion deemed as non-essential parts of the Bible. The Bible says His Word remains the same Forever. Torah and Ruach Fellowship is a ministry that follows and practices the Biblical Feast Days. We do believe that the Commandments that were given on Mt Sinai are still for today!! The Commandments were given to ALL 12 TRIBES and foreigners who kept the Commandments. We do preach the ministry of the 2 Houses of Israel. (Judah and Ephraim) The Ruach Ha Kodesh is the Holy Spirit who is our Teacher. YHWH whom we call YAHWEH, or YAHOVA is our Heavenly Father! We flow in the ministry gifts of the Ruach Ha Kodesh, and believe that ministry offices are NOT done away with! The Bible is to be believed to its entirety! This is a place where Spirit and Torah, are lived out. Have a blessed day! Shalom!
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