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When is the Promised Mahdi Expected to Appear?
Everyone needs to read this. I know some say we shouldn’t delve into the Quran. But I believe, To be informed is important.( Although, if you are not grounded firmly in Torah, You are going to fall for every wind that blows by anyway…so) This link can be usefull in the endeavor to know ones enemy. Make NO mistake. Islam IS the enemy.. Notice the mirror image in the prophecy, from their point of view. Also note the location of Qumm. A suberb of Damascus by my research.
http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=253829
http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/syria/map/m3505122/qumm_el_aaouamid.html
Shalom Out,Deb
I’m pretty sure it refers to Qom or Qum which is a city in Iran… I don’t know about “Qumm El Aaouamid” in Syria though
Larry, Thats what I thought. But the spelling in the doc. that I posted had it spelled thus.Qumm So I looked it up and low and behold, there it was. I included it in the second link. Keep in mind, this is not biblical prophesy. So it isn’t going to be relileable as far as that goes. But it is a window into what they are teaching. What they are expecting. For instance:
There will be a man from Qumm who will call people towards truth. Some will respond to his call and will rally around him like pieces of iron [that are drawn towards a magnet]. Strong winds will not be able to move them from their place. They will not be tired of warfare and will be fearless. They trust in none but God. At the end the victory is for those who are godfearing. [31]
To me this, along with many other parts. speaks directly of the A.C. I find it fascinating that they see A.C. as the good guy.
Another part I find telling is when they reverse light and darkness:
“I solemnly declare that wherever night reaches this religion will reach.[33]”
Why night?
S.O. Deb
there is Islamic (shia) tradition that Mahdi will come from Iran and this confirms the location of Qum in Iran, NOT Syria, but like you said, we cannot go by these traditions, although some traditions are closer to what we know that Mahdi is from Damascus/Syria and is helped by Persia/Iran
the fallen angels (hasatan, etc) have from the beginning been considered good guys, mainly because they were (are) visible and “helped” the people advance and this is what people go by, NOT by faith which is in what is NOT visible…there’s NO doubt to these people that these beings (including Mahdi) are good, also because they cater to the their desires and NOT to God’s Law…we haven’t seen the end of it
Debra,
One thing to consider in Arabic and Farsi (Persian/Iranian language) is that when translated to English – the words are simply spelled phonetically.
I know when we lived in the Middle East, I’d see the same word with two or three and sometimes more variations in spellings on road signs (for example) lol. Very confusing when trying to learn my way around at the beginning, lol!
Madina, Medina, Madeena, etc…same word.
So, Qumm could very well be one ‘variation’ of the English spelling for the name of the town you’re investigating. It might also be something like Qoom, Quom, Kum, Koom. And it could very well have something before it like ‘al’…..
Honestly, I remember an area of the city we lived in called Shati al Qurm…also spellted Shatti al Qurum, Sheti al Qhorum…. I used to get so confused when I first lived there, then started thinking phonetically, lol. That made life much simpler when learning the place names, streets and villages.
So, your research may well be correct. Keep digging:).
Wow, sounds like I have my work cut out for me with this one. If what you say is true, and I’m sure it is. We would have to locate other markers in order to narrow it down. Fortunately we don’t have to relly on the Koranic text. Not long ago I read a paper dealing with Nimrod. The author offered the concept that the confusion was not of language, but of like mindedness. They were of one accord. And when there purpose became confused, The Hebrews were able to scatter them in a military sense. This makes more sense to me. I can see how the confusing nature of Islam and other pagan religious systems came from this beginning.
Shalom Out, Deb
The author mentioned is Roy Blizzard. I am still trying to find the paper.
D
Deb, it is true, lol. Looks like you’ve got your work cut out for you sister:).
Think about it. Even when translating Hebrew…people spell the same words differently in English. Oh, that’s right – no one agrees on the how the spelling should be transliterated, lol.
It’s like the name Yusef in Arabic is Joseph in English. But in Arabic, they will spell it Yusuf, Yusef, Yousef, Yuseph, Yoseph…..oy vey. I know this because um, lol, I knew a few Yusef’s and they ALL spelled it differently in English. Using phonetics. I also took a few Arabic language classes and one of the first things we learned is there is no regularity in spelling! They spell things the way they sound. If I asked three different Arabs to translate my name, Lisa into Arabic script – they would write it two different ways…both SOUNDING the same way.
Hope that helps sister. It’s food for thought that I think is important when searching for old names….and pouring over old maps
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You should hear some of the stories told by air traffic controllers at the international airport in the country we used to live in…. all are supposed to communicate IN ENGLISH with ATC for safe take off, flight paths/plans, and landing…for uniformity (safety). Some of the stories are hilarious…and some frightening. (this language thing really got me thinking).
how about my research?
Couldn’t “get r done” withoutcha :0)
hey, I’m slow, I just got it, I’m not “Larry the cable guy”…GIT’R DONE…loool
it’s valuable!!
I can’t find anything concrete on Qumm El Aaouamid, and Google asks for correction Umm instead of Qumm…the coordinates I found are outside a tiny little village (with like 10 houses) near the city of Daraa, NOT Damacus or Damascus suburbs
Larry, I am laughing my face off now. You think you are slow. I didn’t even make the connection till you said it. I guess I’m the red neck :0)
Shalom Out, Ya’ll Deb
that is funny
MESSIANIC LEGALISM!! IF the law were still to be observed than Christ came for nothing!]
The law is a mirror to show you your need for a saviour!Question #1: What is the scriptural position on food? Pork for example: should Christians eat pork according to scripture?
Response #1: In Eden, Adam and Eve were restricted to plant life and to what the trees of the garden produced (Gen.1:29-30). After the flood, God allowed mankind to eat animals, but not with the blood still in them (Gen.9:2-4). The Mosaic Law, given to the children of Israel, contained a wide variety of dietary restrictions. No animal that did not “chew cud” (as cows notably do) or that did not have split hooves (as rabbits notable do not) could be used for food. Pigs have split hooves, but do not “chew cud”, and so were excluded as unclean under the Mosaic Law.
It is important to note that the underlying reason for all the different provisions of the Law (and there are many which have nothing to do with diet) were to mark Israel out as separate, that is, to show by way of clear outward signs that she was unlike any of the other nations on earth, a “holy people”, “sanctified” to God by God. Of course, true sanctification has always been an inward rather than an outward thing, and that has always been true of those belonging to Israel as well to every other person who has ever lived. That is why Paul can say “they are not all Israel, which are of Israel” (Rom.9:6 KJV). For it is the spiritual seed of Abraham who are truly sanctified to God, holy before Him having been cleansed and made righteous by faith, not by any sort of ritualistic behavior or works no matter how perfect the standard may be (this is the whole argument of Romans chapter four).
“Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him ‘unclean’? For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods “clean.”)
Mark 7:18-19 NIV
As this passage demonstrates, our Lord Himself has shown us that no food is spiritually unclean, and if that was the case for His true followers before the Law had been fulfilled by His death, it is certainly now the case for us after He has fulfilled the Law (Rom.10:4), so that we are no longer under the Law but under grace (Rom.6:14-15).
So don’t let anyone judge you in regard to food or drink, or in the category of festival observances, be it of new moons or Sabbaths. All these things are shadows of what was to come, but the reality has to do with Christ. Let no one gain control over your life, desiring to [enslave you to himself] through a show of false humility and the adoration of angels, basing his approach on what he has [allegedly] seen while puffed up by his own fleshly thoughts, yet not embracing the Head [Christ]. For it is from this Source that the entire body [the Church] is [truly] supplied and instructed through [all] its joints and sinews, and [thus] produces the growth that God has given. If you have died with Christ to these false [pagan] principles [belonging to] this world, why are you letting yourselves be [wrongly] indoctrinated as if your life were of this world? In accordance with the commandments and teaching of [mere] men [these false teachers tell you] “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”, even though [we know] that all these [are only] things [which] decay with use.
Colossians 2:16-22
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
1st Timothy 4:1-5 NASB
As these passage tells us, advocating abstention from any sort of food for spiritual reasons is not only unauthorized by scripture, but we are not to allow ourselves to be bullied into abstention by others. Furthermore, the 1st Timothy passage tells us that such behavior (i.e., strict dietary regimens incorporated into religious behavior) will be a hallmark of the satanic religion instituted by antichrist (see the link: The Beast’s Prophet and the Worldwide Anti-Christian Religion).
There are, however, several other issues here which any believer should take into careful consideration. First, as the 1st Timothy chapter two passage tells us, attitude is of extreme importance in this regard. Whatever food we eat has to be accepted with thanksgiving towards God who provided it. It is our prayer of thanksgiving, demonstrating our attitude of faith, which sanctifies whatever we eat in keeping with the Word of God. But if, for whatever reason, we have qualms about the “rightness” of eating something or other, then we are not eating “in faith”, and all that is not of faith “is sin” (Rom.14:23). So while it is improper for those who wish to refrain from some type of food not to attempt to force to do likewise those who do not think the same way, it is also improper for those who have qualms about partaking to eat anyway something they are uncomfortable eating, just because their brothers and sisters in Christ are doing so. They have to believe these principles of the Word first, and only partake after they really do believe; otherwise, they are violating their own consciences.
It is also important to note that just as it is improper to pressure others to refrain from what they have no biblical reservations about eating, so it is equally improper to pressure others to eat what they have reservations about eating. More than this, it violates the “law of love” to do anything that may lead a brother or sister in Christ astray. Romans chapters 14-15 (see also 1Cor.8 & 10) makes it quite clear that we are to refrain from eating meat if our doing so causes our fellow Christians to stumble. In Paul’s time, the meat markets of the Hellenistic world were closely connected to idolatry, because the sacrifices made at pagan temples were then sold by the priests et al. to the adjoining markets. Thus, the meat found at market in any given Greek city had most likely been “sacrificed to idols”. Paul is very clear in the chapters cited above that pagan “gods” do not actually exist, so that there is no absolute restriction on eating meat even if such pagan sacrifice is its ultimate source. However, he is also very clear that since this connection was potentially troubling to some, the law of love dictates not eating such meat in front of a fellow Christian who has qualms about it (lest his conscience be weakened and his faith jeopardized).
As is often the case with areas of personal behavior, scripture gives us the two extremes and shows us thereby how to best navigate our course. On the one hand, we are to be grateful for whatever God provides, knowing that everything has been cleansed by our Lord, and that we have the true righteousness of God within us by means of faith, not through adherence to any dietary code. On the other hand, we also need to take into consideration that others may not be at the level where we are spiritually, and we should avoid damaging another’s faith by the liberty we have in Jesus Christ. We should not teach abstention from any food, but we should not pressure others to eat things they have reservations about eating. We should, in short, not make an issue of food nor accept such stipulations from others nor allow ourselves to be coerced into conduct we know is not scriptural, but we also should not put our own freedom above the spiritual well-being of our brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. We cannot yield to legalism at any point. But we should not seek confrontation on issues which are of very small moment in truth and about which we have no qualms, if some of our fellow Christians see these things as of paramount importance. As a Bible teacher, I am responsible to teach the truth (without advocacy of some behavior which may be optional); as a Christian, I am responsible to live in a way which sets a good example, avoiding any harm to my brothers and sisters in Christ, even if it means foregoing some things I would otherwise do, yet not out coercion (which is evil and must be resisted), but rather out of love for those who have not yet accepted some principle of truth.
So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
1st Corinthians 10:31 NIV
I hope you find this helpful. Please feel free to write me back about any of this.
In our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
You’re a legalist as well… you just pick and choose which laws are important. You don’t kill, lie, or steal (hopefully) because you were taught that those are still in effect. Well my friend, that is legalism (it’s just your own brand.)
The issue here is that you don’t understand that what Yeshua was talking about when he reprimanded the Pharisees in the passage you cited. He was NOT upset with them about eating kosher but rather about ceremonial handwashing (a made up Pharaseeic law) which is NOT commanded in Torah. The Pharisees where making comments about his disciples not washing their hands. It’s important to keep everything in context when reading scripture.
Here’s the whole passage, please take this in:
1 And there are gathered together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, who had come from Jerusalem,
2 and had seen that some of his disciples ate their bread with defiled, that is, unwashen, hands.
3 (For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands diligently, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders;
4 and when they come from the market-place, except they bathe themselves, they eat not; and many other things there are, which they have received to hold, washings of cups, and pots, and brasen vessels.)
5 And the Pharisees and the scribes ask him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with defiled hands?
6 And he said unto them, Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoreth me with their lips, But their heart is far from me.
7 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men.
8 Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.
They’re not even eating unclean meat here… they’re eating bread! The whole point of this passage is to dismantle the Pharisee’s manmade commandment of “ritual handwashing.” For your own sake please try to keep things in context.
To all your passages about Paul I will just say that unless you can back it up by something that Yeshua said directly (aside from the verse that I already corrected above) then you’re putting your love for “what you think” Paul said over The Most High and His Beloved Son…
Not a good place to be if you ask me… you better get your facts straight and quickly… time is not on your side.
I will also add that in almost ever honest translation of the bible verse 19 has a specific part in parenthesis, this means that it’s not actually in the original but merely added by the translator to clarify the passage for you. (As if the Ruach Ha Kodesh couldn’t do what was promised!)
Here is that portion:
(In saying this, Jesus declared that all foods are fit to be eaten.)
* This is a translational bias and is not written by the actual author of the book! Giant red flag… you may as well go through your bible and black out that portion because in most cases these “new” rules are the EXACT manmade theology that Yeshua was combating just a few sentences earlier… (how ironic is that?!)
Father, thank you for removing the scales from my eyes! May you let all your children see with clarity and precision in these last days! Amen!
Let’s examine the scripture carefully. If I am wrong, if you are wrong, so be it. Let God always be declared right.
Romans 6: “11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore DO NOT LET SIN REIGN in your mortal body so that you OBEY its evil desires. 13 Do not OFFER ANY PART OF YOURSELF TO SIN as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of RIGHTEOUSNESS. 14 For sin shall no longer BE YOUR MASTER, because you are not under the law, but under grace. ”
The word “under” used twice in that last sentence is #5259 Strong’s Greek. It can mean UNDER, BENEATH, or THROUGH. The context is NOT “under” or beneath” grace. That would not make sense. You are BENEATH brace? You are below grace? No. The proper context is salvation. Word 5259 is best understood as THROUGH. Our salvation is not THROUGH the law, which could only condemn us because we ALL fail and fall short of the law. Our salvation is THROUGH grace. This does not mean we get to ABANDON the law, but rather that the law cannot offer us salvation because our flesh is weak. Jesus (Yahoshua… I don’t mind the different names) the Messiah was the ONLY one to keep the law. He did this because he was overflowing with the Spirit 100%of the time. That is why he is called BLAMELESS. That is why he is called SPOTLESS LAMB. Jesus could not have been spotless if he was a violator of the Torah.
You also quoted Colossians 2:
“3 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[d] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness,”
What did the Messiah cancel? Was it the LAW or was it the DEBT WE OWE TO THE LAW? Messiah did not come to destroy the law, he came to cancel the debt we owe to the law.
Further on in that same passage, we see this quote:
“herefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ… 20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!â€? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.”
What laws are being spoken of. Look again, and you will see plainly the answer: “These rules… are based on merely human commands and teachings.”
Did you not know, dear brother, that the PHARISEES were making up their own laws? It is our FATHER who instructed us to keep dietary rules. That was HIS command. Later, a group of high n’ mighty Jews decided that the way THEY kept kosher was superior to Father’s way, and began persecuting other Jews. THESE ARE THE LAWS WE DO NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW. The MANMADE laws, not the laws made by our Father.
What of 1 Timothy 4?
“THEY forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created TO BE RECEIVED with thanksgiving ”
Again, these are MAN MADE laws AGAINST what God has approved (kosher). Any food which God has deemed KOSHER should be accepted with thanksgiving.
Now let’s go to Mark 7:
“16 “Are you still so dull?†Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.—
Oops. That was Matthew 15; not Mark 7. But look what happened. Matt 15 gives us the CONTEXT for Jesus’ words. This is the SAME incident. But here, Jesus clearly is declaring that UNWASHED HANDS do not defile a person.
Again, the Pharisees were claiming that dirty hands will dirty food will dirty you. Jesus says “not so”. Jesus isn’t dismissing KOSHER, he is dismissing MAN MADE RULES IN ADDITION TO KOSHER.
As to Romans 14: “5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.”
What have we learned from the previous passages above? That there were a LOT of ideas about what was proper to KEEP kosher. The strictness of some could offend others, thus we should not condemn each other.
I hope you find this helpful.
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Dirk,
Would you mind giving me a quick email at drnowlin@bendbroadband.com when you get a moment. I want to discuss something with you privately.
Thanks brother.
David
Kyle,
As a man who has spent many years of my life as a Minister in a protestant denomination, I can say with all assurance that every point that you tried to make from your Christian indoctrination, I have studied, taught, preached, and examined as with a microscope and there is absolutely nothing that you have to say that I and most everyone else on this blog has not heard before.
Messianic Legalism you say?
You wouldn’t know Messianic faith if it bit you on the face!
You made one good point however, Torah is to sanctify or set apart Israel from the rest of the world. The truth is, it still does.
If you will examine Paul.s letter to the Ephesians and Paul’s letter to the Romans (all of it, not just the part you like. That’s called study in context) You will find that if you are in Messiah, you are Israel. The requirements for being Israel are the same today as they ever were. We are still sanctified by Torah! That is why Messianics stand out among the crowds of those professing faith in Messiah still today! We obey the Torah of Israel.
Now regarding it being legalism. We do not teach nor do we believe that obedience to Torah gains us any legal standing. It does not save us. We are saved by grace through faith in Yeshua HaMashiach! The one you incorrectly call “Jesus Christ.”
Our observance of Torah is out of a heart of love for our Eloheim and our Master and Savior Yeshua. We are obedient because we love Him. Not because we will be saved if we do. He said, “If you love me, keep my commandments!” So, we love Him so we do!
So Kyle, Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works.
Shalom
Amen brother. I have heard Christians asking me that what commandments they should keep then after they have begun to understood that the Torah was not “nailed to the cross”.
I think many Christian brothers and sisters rejects the message of the Torah / Hebrew roots of faith because they think that they should keep all 613 commandments or that 613 are “Rabbinic commandments”, but they don’t know that very much of 613 are for the Levites for the temple service and so on and 613 are NOT about man-made Rabbinic commandments. They are all in the Torah, first five books of the Bible.
Moreover, I have noticed that Christian brethren don’t know that there are separate commandments in the Torah for men and women, masters and servants and so on.
For example when I thought the Torah beofre I understood that has not been “nailed to the cross” I always had a picture in my mind about orthodox-Jews in black suits at the Wailing wall “banging” their heads in prayer and reading Siddur etc. I thought that I should become look like a religious Jew and be like them in every way if I would keep Sabbath and so on. That was wrong picture. For example Sabbath can be kept without traditional Jewish rituals and so on. We don’t have to become “Jewish” in order to keep the commandments.
The Father does not limit his instructions for His Jewish followers, but wants that all of His children would love Him by keeping His instructions. All followers of of Yeshua are Israel. So, let’s believe, think, act and live like Israel together as One New Man (“Jews and Greeks”) in Yeshua HaMashiach!
One Lord, one faith, one law, one people. It has been Father’s plan always.
All in all I think we should clarify to our Christian brethren that there are universal commandments in the Torah (such as Sabbath and the feasts, biblical diet, purity laws such as not having sex during wife’s period etc) which applies to everyone of us in every world-age no matter who we are and where we are. The Father do not gave us instructions for that we would be religious, but blessed in every aspect in our lives if we would live according to His instructions which “triggers” blessings which He has “embedded” in them.
We should teach them too that there are commandments which could be only kept right way in the land of Israel in the coming millenial Messianic age.
I meant that all God’s commandments 613 are all in the Torah, first five books of the Bible. I did not mean that Rabbinic commandments are in the Torah. Just clarifying things for making sure that I would be understood correctly.
In addition to keeping Sabbath and the feasts and so on I think it is self-evident truth that all of Father’s children should not murder, steal, commit adultery and so on no matter who they are or where they are.
Moreover, I would lie if I would say that our Christian brethren do not keep the Torah at all. For example Christian brethren have succeeded in being merciful and just in general which is the heart of the Torah, but it do not “replace” other commandments such keeping Sabbath or dietary laws.
Christian brethren keep the Torah, but there are certain commandments and instructions which they use to label as “only for Jews” such as keeping Sabbath and the feasts, dietary and purity laws and so on.
The Ultimate Key to unite “Jew and Greek” in Yeshua HaMashiach is 1) His atoning blood (which broke the middle-wall between them -> Eph. 2:14) and 2) the Torah. No two people groups with separate commandments, but ONE people with ONE Torah! One home and same rules for every children of the home. Simple, but too hard for our flesh which has enmity against the Torah.
“For example when I thought the Torah beofre I understood that has not been “nailed to the cross†I always had a picture in my mind about orthodox-Jews in black suits at the Wailing wall “banging†their heads in prayer and reading Siddur etc. I thought that I should become look like a religious Jew and be like them in every way if I would keep Sabbath and so on.”
haha i thought the same way.
“MESSIANIC LEGALISM!! IF the law were still to be observed than Christ came for nothing!”
Then feel free to go around murdering my friend. That’s a “law” you are railing against.
The law is an instruction for how to live life. Messiah cam to fulfill the law, not to destroy it. Following the law will not bring me to salvation if I do not have Messiah, so his death was absolutely necessary that I might be reconciled to the Father.
well said kyle and dirk.
“and there is absolutely nothing that you have to say that I and most everyone else on this blog has not heard before.”
i couldn´t agree more. The points kyle made pretty much sum up the usual arguments give by the anti-legalist ( in other words lawless)
“Then feel free to go around murdering my friend. That’s a “law†you are railing against.”
that is always the case that anti-torah people seem to forget that they themselves oppose murder and robbery thus lawlessnes.
Kyle i really have a wish that if you want to talk about these things and everyone is surely welcome to but i think you should not just jump into a blog making a typing of your fingers but and making lots of assumptions. Maybe you should have written your whole comment rather as a question for example how we interpret the bible verses you provided.
This is not supposed to be criticism but i think that could be a way more fruitful introduction to a fruitful discussion which i think everybody on this blog would welcome you to have with us.
Kyle-
Thanks for posting your thoughts. Dialog is a great thing. I was where you are at not too long ago. Allow me to share a few discoveries I’ve made along the way. In church we were taught, “Messiah is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.” (romans 10:4). We were taught that means that Messiah replaced the law. Except the word ‘end’ doesn’t mean gone or stopped. In our vernacular today it would be better translated as endzone. The place where you get a goal. When we reach the end of our journey we have reached our goal. Messiah is the goal of the law. Torah (the law, or better the instructions of the father) leads me into a deeper relationship with Messiah. It points me to Him. Obeying the instructions (torah) of my Father has intensified my relationship with Him- not hampered it. From your vantage point you can only see ‘legalism’ in our actions because that is what you were trained to see by the definition you were given about legalism. My salvation was taken care of when I accepted Yeshua and His atoning sacrifice. HE made me righteous. My legal standing before the Creator of the Universe was dealt with 2000 years ago. That is what brought me into a covenant relationship with Him. The question the church has been struggling with for centuries is, ‘in light of this… how do I live my life?’ Well, once you are in the Father’s house you follow the Father’s rules. Following rules for the wrong reason is legalism (salvation by works). Following rules for the right reason is called obedience. The church today (depending upon the denomination) picks and chooses which rules they should follow from the torah/law, ie. don’t murder, don’t steal, tithe, etc…. ‘Messianics’ just think it is not our right to pick and choose. Dad sets the rules because it is His house. We respect our dad. We love Him immensely- with all our heart, soul and strength. Romans affirms that if you break one law you are convicted of all. The inverse is also true. If you keep one law you are responsible to keep them all. I am sure you love God with all your heart, soul and strength too. But by obeying that one law you are responsible for them all. It would be like buying a house and then telling the mortgage company you only want to follow part of the contract. They will not be happy about that. Once your name is signed on the contract you must obey all of the covenant rules. Let me leave you with this: What you perceive as legalism is not. It is the biblical definition of obedience. Do we messianics fail? Absolutely. Do we fall short? Of course. And maybe we don’t convey this as well as we should. I hope this helps you understand where we are coming from better. All best in your journey.
PS: sorry for the generic use of ‘we’ without permission of everyone
just to add to your great comment albert.
Love actually equals torah observance. Cause if i love my creator and my neighbour i´ll act accordingly or in other words keep the torah.
You have invited boldness so here I go! Recently, I have been prompted to search into the roots of a whole lot of things because of a profound thirst to know the truth and weed out the things in my life that may have bad beginnings, i.e. derived from pagan philosophies. To my amazement and no little horror, it appears that the Star of David emblazoned on the modern Israeli flag may be one of those symbols that have ancient roots dating back to Nimrod!! From what I have been able to discover this icon was formerly known as the Star of Solomon and adopted by him through the idolatrous practices of his many wives whom he allowed to lead away from YHWY’s Torah. Can someone either affirm or dispute my findings?
It feels good doesn’t it…to say what He is pushing you to say…
*sits back with popcorn…*
Irene, nice to hear about your awakening into the Hebrew roots of faith. Keep searching. We are all learning all the time. Nobody is complete. But when it comes to the “star of David” I think in the occult context the hexagonal shape is evil, but we should always remember that the Creator created this universe. For example the hexagonal shape is very common in snowflakes. Hexagonal shape in itself is not evil, but the way people have used it in their occult practices / philosophies and such.
I would not use hexagonal shape in a spiritual / religious context because in that context it has occult meaning. But if I would for example decorate a greeting card with hexagonal stars or paint a picture about a night sky with hexagonal-shaped stars in the sky the use of the shape would not be evil thing.
Funny how I seem to keep coming back here (on the Sabbath –hey! progress.) The family and I are church shopping tomorrow. I miss fellowship with true believers but now that I’ve had a scale fall off……where to go? Really don’t see my methodist man going torah anytime soon. Of course this gives me a bit of an excuse I will confess. But I see we are indeed “havin church up in here!” on the ole board. Got my dose of Assad watch, Emergent youtubes, and mainline apologetics. Good stuff.
*pass the popcorn.
My personal research has discovered an unsettling revelation as discomforting to my inherited Christian sensibilities as when I learned the pagan roots of Christmas and Easter. I would love to hear from you on your thoughts and knowledge regarding the history of the symbol on the modern Israeli Flag, “The Star of David”. From what I have uncovered it originates from pagan worship during the time of Nimrod via Solomon’s Seal that was developed after being led astray by his many pagan wives. If this is true and as Hebrew Roots follower’s of Yashushua, should we not be as vigilante in guarding Torah against this contamination just as much as Yule Logs and Easter Bunnies? I hope to hear from some of you as I have followed this web site since meeting Brad Scott at a small group gathering near Boise, Idaho and seek resolution on this subject.
Irene,
Acts 7:43
(KJV)
43Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Amos 5:25-27
(KJV)
25Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?
26But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
27Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.
I personally believe this is speaking about the hexagram found on the Israeli flag.
I believe this refers to the ark of the covenant, which the Israelites worshipped. They named the cherubim Moloch and Chiun. Jupiter=kingstar=moloch=king, Chiun=Saturn. Jupiter=all father=Nimrod, Saturn=tammuz. The word for tabernacle here is Sikkuth, which is the tabernacle deity some sources say refers to Saturn also, but the way its written in the NT we have the tabernacle of Jupiter and Saturn. In pagan myth the mother is a womb, a boat (from the ark), a cow, a covering or tabernacle, so I believe this to actually be referring to Semiramis/Ishtar. Here you have the pagan trinity.
The ark had a small tabernacle that covered it. The Israelites were already used to worshipping cherubim, as they made the golden calf (the aramaic root KRB is to plow, KRB is the word cherub, the hebrew etiology of cherub is unknown) the main symbol of moloch is a calf. Jeremiah removed the ark and hid it along with the bronze serpent at the deportation, because they had become such sources of idolatry. The ark was not returned after the deportation, and there is no more mention of idolatry after the return from Babylon.
The main symbol for tammuz is the eagle/hawk/phoenix, another of the heads of the cherub.
It is awesome how much people on this sight delve into historical records so this is a wonderful place to hear from all of you when I come up with questions such as this. Thank you. In the mean time I still have questions regarding the “Davidic Star” especially in light of mathematical geometric symbols found in it that seem to point to both Hexagrams and Pentagrams both used in pagan worship. One would think that a lot of thought was put into this design so why would they use it with such dubious references? If you a familiar with Todd Bennett’s work (“Walk in the Light Series” web: http://www.shemayisrael.com) he prefers to identify with the flag of Yarushalayim with it’s unmistakable scriptural ties: Menorah and two Olive Branches). This whole subject is important to me as an artist and business owner who has in the past flown the Israeli flag in front of my my building on a very busy highway to show support for this much maligned country. However, as a grafted in daughter to Israel and one who has crossed over with them out of Egypt (a Hebrew) by coming out of the traditions and doctrines of men, I am hyper sensitive to communicating the truth and do not want to mix bad seed with the precious good that I have received. Like all of you I want to shamar (guard and protect) it with all my heart soul and strength. Shalom! P.S. I noticed another error in my first blog where I referenced Brad Scott…I meant Scott Dryer
…faux paux once again!!
many apologies for misspelling Yahushua’s name!
I dont know if I am posting this questionin the right spot or not, I was intending this question for Scot, but open to all other comments. I was wondering, on a teaching from 119 ministries, regarding end times…the speaker speaks of not knowing the day or the hour, and saying that it is referring to “when heaven and earth pass away” and THAT being what we do not know the day or the hour of. He also uses Revelation 3:3 to sotr of support it as well as using it to support the thief in the night part. Let me preface I fully believe its speaking to the unbeliever, but…then I was listening to Scot’s teaching about that, and he was saying since Yom Teruah is celebrated with 2 days, as in referring to days as… 6 to 6….that THAT is why we do not knwo the day or the hour. Are these both correct? I think I am missing something. Just looking for clarification.
Thanks guys.
Shalom
Hello April04,
Here is a link to some comments of discussion pertaining to your question. Hope this helps, I’ll be glad to get more understanding of this topic as well
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http://profoundprophecy.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php?s=heaven+and+earth+pass&comment_status=all&pagegen_timestamp=
I cant believe Im just now seeing this haha, Thank you Duncan, Ill take a look.
Clone message to Scot’s Twitter account:
”Bashar Al-Assad is dead. He is going the way of Judas. I thought you should be the first to know before it happens.”
For those that do not twitter, could you please explain your post a bit more. Are you saying this or was it posted to Scot’s twitter by him or someone else and what does the post mean?
he’s far from dead
agreed…, not sure why someone would say that unless there is a scripture from the Prophets that could be shared.
I didnt know he had a twitter account. Is it just under his name?
Larry or which ever Editor sees this first. Could you make a thread about this? I think if you read it, the reason will be obvious. Does Human Shield sound like fun? The Iranian Jews are about to find out.
http://virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=6494
This is a VERY provocative move by Iran at just the right time to fit what I am expecting based on the calendar and the events on the ground. Potential for the Red Horse event? You know Israel isn’t going to let them cross.
Shalom Out, Deb