BELIEFS
We believe that many organizations hide behind a “statement of faith” and use it as a set of esoteric, even occultic beliefs that are too sacred to discuss. We believe this is sinful and as a result will be happy to discuss any and all ideas in an exoteric, open and straight forward manner. Our Father is still teaching, still speaking and we should still be listening and learning…as living epistles, not considering ourselves to have achieved that for which we were purchased. We have not arrived yet!
1. We believe that the scriptures (both the Tanakh\Old Testament and the Brit Hadasha\New Testament) are the inspired and authoritative Word of God in the original form. We also believe that people would do well to study reputable historical sources outside of the scriptures for the scripture in its original form is true, but it is not all of the truth. If you just heard “It is not all true” INSTEAD of “it is not all of the truth” STOP listening to that voice! (1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21)
2. We believe that entertaining tribal geneologies proves nothing apart from the fact that we are born dead in sin and in need of a savior. Doing this is as dysfunctional as identifying ourselves with any one of the world religions. We believe that Israel (Northern Kingdom) & Judah (Southern Kingdom) are about to be beaten together into relative unity and that no earthly organization will be “the way”…Y’shua is the way. We do believe the earth is going to get hotter, but not because of our carbon footprint and greenhouse gases…rather, dividing Jerusalem.
3. We believe that Y’shua (Jesus Christ) is the Son of God; the Messiah. We also believe that Israel is God’s son, even His firstborn. (John 1:1-14; Colossians 2:9, Exodus 4:22)
4. We believe in the deity of Y’shua (Jesus Christ) and His virgin birth (Isaiah 9:6; Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:18-25), in His atonement for man’s sins through His shed blood (Isaiah 53; Daniel 9:24-27; Romans 3:21-31; Hebrews 9, 10), in His bodily resurrection (Zechariah 12:10, Zechariah 14; Matthew 28), and in His personal return in power and glory to defeat the enemies of the Israel. (Daniel 7:9-14; Matthew 26:57-64; Revelation 1:1-18).
5. We believe that Y’shua (Jesus Christ) is the Way, the Truth, and the Life; and that no one comes to the Father except through Him. (John 14:6, John 6:29, John 40, John 44; 1 John 5:11)
6. We believe that without holiness no man can see God. We believe in the doctrine of sanctification as a definite, yet progressive, work of grace commencing at the time of regeneration and continuing until the consummation of salvation. (1 Thessalonians 5:23; 2 Peter 3:18; Hebrews 12:14)
7. We believe that Jewish and non-Jewish people who trust in Y’shua (Jesus Christ) are grafted into the olive tree of Israel which grants them the privilege of following the torah (God’s teachings and instructions) having written it upon their hearts as participants of the New Covenant. (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Romans 11:11-26)
8. We believe in the resurrection of both the wicked and the righteous. Those who have trusted in Y’shua (Jesus Christ) will be resurrected unto life and those who die without having believed in Y’shua (Jesus Christ) will experience separation from God. (John 5:19-29; Romans 1:18; 1 Corinthians 15; Revelation 20; Revelation 21)
9. We believe holiness, which is a lifestyle of purity, is God’s standard for His children. (1 Thessalonians 4:7; Luke 1:75; Hebrews 12:14)
10. We believe in the premillennial second coming of Y’shua (Jesus Christ) and that He will reign on the earth one thousand years (the millenium). (1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17; Zechariah 14:4-5 2; Thessalonians 1:7)
11. We believe that the gifts of the Ruach HaKodesh (The Holy Spirit) are for the believers today, and that more often than not they are grossly misunderstood and sometimes purposefully misrepresented. (1 Corinthians 12:4-10)
12. We believe that the torah given to Moses was given as teaching and instructions for Godly living and was never intended for the purpose of salvation. We believe that these teachings and instructions expose man’s sinful nature. (Deuteronomy 28:9; Psalm 1:1-3; Romans 3:31; 7:12; 1 John 5:3)
13. We believe that Y’shua (Jesus Christ) came not to do away with the torah given to Moses, but to affirm it. We also believe that He is the perfect expression of the teachings and instructions (torah) in the flesh…an example of how to please God as opposed to an excuse so that we don’t have to. (Matthew 5:17-20)
14. We believe that we are living in the last days just prior to the Second Coming of Y’shua (Jesus Christ), and that as children of light, this day should not surprise us for we do not live in darkness. We believe that the key to understanding YHWH’s schedule is found in His cyclical feasts (set times). (1 Thessalonians 5)
15. We believe that Jews who trust in Y’shua (Jesus Christ) have not separated themselves from their race, commandments of God, Jewish heritage or the torah…though it is what most of Christianity encourages.
16. We believe that Christianity has conjured a Greco-Roman worldview of the scriptures and Messiah. The only way to properly understand the scriptures is to view them through the culture and languages of those who penned them. Having said that, we believe YHWH loves Christians…and Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and others who defile themselves inside and outside of the world’s religions.
17. We believe that Gentiles who trust in Y’shua (Jesus Christ) are also part of the Israel of God and that it should not be considered coincidence that there is not one gate into the New Jerusalem named after any denomination or religion. Sectarianism is forbidden though we lap it up, Messiah’s body should not be divided. (Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:28-29)
18. We vociferously reject all forms of replacement theology, reverse replacement theology, kingdom now theology, two covenant theology, emerging church theology and any theology that believes that “the kingdom” can be obtained in the flesh. If you still have aches and pains you are not in “the kingdom.” If the word is in us it represents a seed that will bring forth its fruit in due season.
19. We understand that after the fall of man, shame set in and as a result blame. Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed the serpent, the serpent blames us and the cycle continues today. We believe that in order to be forgiven, you must first lay hold of the sin, take ownership of it, then turn it over.
20. We believe that all religion represents “a covering” that is not of His Spirit which seemingly hides our shame, giving us “identity.” It is a temporal identity that was not present in the beginning before the fall, nor will it be in the kingdom of heaven on earth. We should follow Messiah’s example and seek “identity” in the Eternal One, YHWH the God of Israel and no other. He did not identify with any sects or any religions and neither should we.
21. We believe that all identity apart from YHWH the God of Israel, will fade away as we present ourselves to him as he already sees us…like little children, who desperately need Him.
22. We believe that God loves sinners enough to give us the very best, Y’shua. Also, that those who are honest with YHWH come to him like little children. (John 3:16)
23. We believe that music is a powerful form of worship and adoration of YHWH\Y’shua.
24. While the music might be considered suspect…ZZ Top do in fact have cool beards.
25. We believe there are 3 types of people that can be saved: believers from Judah, believers from Israel & believers from the nations grafted into the commonwealth…given the spirit of adoption. Consequently, that leaves three types of unbelievers: unbelievers from Judah, unbelievers from Israel & unbelievers from the nations who remain “cut off” from the commonwealth of Israel. This rules out those who hear and won’t obey while including all that will, showing no preference based on genealogy or religious persuasion.
25. Since we travel alot…we believe that fast food establishments should get creative with their pricing due to the downturn in the economic status of this once great nation. Moreover, Chick-fil-A should be open on Sunday…it simply isn’t right.
26. We believe that “Two House Theology” that fails to see the largest lump of believers (the non-native born that are grafted into the commonwealth and continue in belief) is vain genealogy under a new name and as such should be swiftly abandoned.
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I can’t wait for two things:
1) for the wise ownership of Chik-fil-a to become convicted about Torah
2) for the wise owner of Chik-fil-a to establish store “plants” in Washington and Idaho.
Please be in prayer about these vital desires on behalf of the body of Messiah…
Agreed…that would be huge…lol
what about circumcision for non Hebrew?
we have only one chick-fil-a in our area, about 10 miles from us… is it good?
Yeh, Larry – the food is good, imo:). I ate there while I was home in 08 and it was so fresh:).
It’d be awesome if Yah brings them conviction about the true Sabbath because they had a reputation in Houston for really keeping the ‘day of Worship’ holy at a time when other businesses were beginning to trade on ‘sunday’.
I used to love Chick-fil-a (don’t have it where we live, abroad). I used to live next door to the owners for about a year (when I was 15/16 yrs old) and they had small children. I didn’t know them well – but they were friendly enough neighbours, always with their children and always working…I think that must have been shortly after they started Chick-fil-a (80/81ish?). They were mostly located in food courts at malls back at that time. Geesh – I feel old now.
sounds good Lisa… thanks
Can you put me in contact with fellow followers of Yeshuah in Idaho? I live in Boise and long for a local fellowhsip!!
Hi, Irene ~ I live very close to Boise and am also longing for fellowship. I don’t know if we have shared beliefs, but I can say that I was grinning and my head was nodding up and down as I read thru the beliefs posted on this home page. I found this site by entering “netzari idaho” in google, as I have similar understandings, and that seemed a way to begin looking. I am presently studying Hebrew as a way of helping me gain insight into YHWH’s words and ways. I would love to hear more about you, if you’re willing to share.
bombed on my first try…sorry…=)
Would you please explain the following:
If you still have aches and pains you are not in “the kingdom.â€
From # 18
Thank You
Leon,
i’ve been asking about circumcision for awhile now trying to learn more about it.
There are 2 circumcisions that are biblical from what i’ve researched and 2 others are completely Rabbinical and traditional….
Biblical circumcision:
1.) of the heart
2.) of the foreskin only.
Rabbinical:
A very radical form of cutting where it mutilates a person… i’ll let you research that because it gets gross and I don’t wanna get into TOO much detail on here.
Check this Link out =)
http://www.cirp.org/library/history/peron2/
From what i’ve learned so far, child circumcision and adult circumcision are different things. Since all of us on this blog are over 8 days old, there is no way we can keep that one. I believe that circumcision is still for believers today but only as ABBA leads it and not as man tells you to do it. “WHY?” is the question we must ask ourselves when dealing with circumcision. Is it to be more justified and more saved than others? Or is it to represent a sign of already being saved by faith?
I believe for adults, it must be lead by Abba whether or not an adult who comes to faith in the God of Israel though Messiah is to be physically circumcised. This is just my belief though.
By the way, if anyone on here knows any one Messianic who does circumcisions the BIBLICAL way let me know. Most doctors who perform them in hospitals today do it rabbinically.
It’s true, most mohels and people don’t care, they just snip-snip whatever they can, the more the better… good though that they don’t remove the whole thing, like Paul says in one place…lol. But, I remember reading about “messianic mohels” on the Internet, just google it… from what I understand there aren’t many.
Dude, I was asking my doctor about the price of circumcisions and he was telling me the total fee after all the charges from the hosptial would be approx $10,000!!! aghh!!! and now Im not so sure they’re even gonna do it the biblical way! (sigh) I wish I knew how to do it myself n Id say forget the anesthesia Ill just pull a zipporah and use a flint knife cant hurt as much as all that money!!! lol
lol
Rachel, “the kingdom” is from above and within us…this means that in order to experience the fullness of either, our flesh must die or be changed in an instant. Churchmen teach that Christianity (a religion on earth) is the kingdom. This is not true and neither has it ever been. His kingdom is NOT of this world. Soon, those who do not know the commandments of God\YHWH will be aligned under one who will act “as the Most High” though he was a murderer from the beginning.
Bradley said…”pull a zipporah”
I wonder if thats where they got the word zipper from? (jk)
I too have heard that there is a difference between what Abe, Josh and Zipporah did from what the Rabbis and western docs do. I would like more details on this topic if anyone knows. From what i have read about the function of the foreskin it seems to serve a valuable purpose. I would not be surprised if it should only be partially removed as opposed to completely removed.
Yes, partial (FOREskin=skin that hangs beFORE)…think about Moses’ wife, she did it to their son herself. The reason rabbis started removing the entire skin was to make reversal (which was rampant among Jews who wanted to look like the greeks and romans) impossible or really hard.
thanks Larry,
this is the last thing im gonna say on this subject right here maybe we can talk about it more on the blog dealing with circumcision…but have you ever heard of anyone having it done at home???
Sorry, I haven’t.
“wonder if thats where they got the word zipper from?” LOL ohhhhhh boy….
but yes id like some more info on it too gotta get the facts straight ya know
Bradley,
You better find yourself another Urologist brother.
I had it done this year for $2400.00. That was in a hospital by a reputable urologist.
sadly It sounds just like Messianic Legalism, maybe I am wrong . I am a broken human,I know what I am and what anyone else is capable of .Even after accepting yeshua as savior the sin nature remains. its impossible to be holy. I agree you shouldnt be like the world. I dont believe salvation can be obtained . you guys may not believe that ? what I dont get is disregard for alot of new testament scripture. Circumscison of gentiles and eating certain foods! My life is given to the lord he can do whatever , I am the clay and he is the potter! total submission to yeshua! You say learning history is important , but it has been so manipulated by esoteric circles and cults ,using outside sources and intermingling it with the word of God is a thin line I wouldnt want to tread.
if you have to be holy , how far do you have to take it ?
The law is a mirror for us to see ourselves how God see’s us.
The fact of the matter is Angels were created knowing good and evil, they manipulated us to fall!
they cant be saved!
If you have be holy , what about the thief on the cross?
hey scot what do you mean by saying if you have aches and pains you are not in the kingdom of heaven because my lower back does ache sometimes and is it possiable for you to help me to get in the kingdom if it is possiable sorry i think it is too much to ask sorry scot.
I think he’s saying “Your kingdom come” still applies. None are in the kingdom yet…aches and pains are a sure sign that better things are yet to come.
(although I don’t see where he said that)
(better things for those who are His I mean)
The acts of Messiah, first and last written in the lamb’s book of life! Isaiah 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Know ye not that ye are the temple of YHVH?
Concerning Zion the Kingdom: We are not in the Kingdom Zion yet, that is correct, but we do have some types and shadows (mountains, tabernacles, temples, sacrifices and such) and we understand that entering into his rest ZION is in our weakness (afflict yourselves and become humble and holy and obedient-the word mixed with faith) and his strength (a perfect life of obedience). An obedient son to replace a rebellious son. Sual and David. One must die (our flesh) so the other can live (our spirit). Unless a seed fall into the ground and die it can not live and produce fruit. Unless Yeshua planted into the ground and died there would be no ZION. No habitation in the earth for him to dwell in seeing he does not dwell in a house made by the hands of men.
Oh, that reminds me of myself, once rebellious but allowing Yeshua to put an ax to THAT root knowing in faith he makes me new. To BECOME obedient and perfect like himself through POWER, I receive it in faith not having yet entered into Zion I am on “the way†to everlasting life. (I have not arrived, but have the promise that I am already seated in heavenly places) I am seated in Zion which is spiritual and has not yet “arrived†but is growing out of the ground from the place of his burial. We have the down payment for this house and watch it being built having received the earnest of the Ruach haKodesh. Our faith being evidence that Zion is real!!!
ZION, a city, a land, a mountain, a people, The Kingdom is the house of YHVH. The Kingdom is built by Yeshua and comes with the King. The good news of it is preached in all the world then the end shall come. Then the King shall come and establish the Fathers house and it will fill all the earth. Out of Zion shall flow rivers of living water who’s foundations were completed from the beginning of the world IN HIS WILL for it is written, “lo I have come to DO THY WILL†and his bread is to “DO THY WILL†and in doing Abba’s will he has “LIFE IN HIMSELF†and can give life to those he chooses.
In the types and shadows we see a house being prepared for YHVH by the wise son Solomon (meaning peace) because it was “LOST†by Saul (the flesh) but would be restored under David (in spirit a man after Yah’s own heart), and the Son (the word Yeshua) the righteous branch. “Huram said moreover, Blessed be the LORD God of Israel, that made heaven and earth, who hath given to David the king a wise son, endued with prudence and understanding, that might build an house for the LORD, and an house for his kingdom.†Solomon was a picture (type and shadow) of David’s Son Yeshua, the righteous branch.
We lost the house a few times through not paying close attention to “DO ALL THAT IS COMMANDED YOUâ€, the house was foreclosed upon! 1 Samuel 13: 13And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. 14But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him to be captain over his people, BECAUSE THOU HAST NOT KEPT THAT WHICH THE LORD COMMANDED THEE.
A house for his kingdom! His throne is established in righteousness! The son ruler over his fathers righteous house! A habitation for the Mighty Elohim of Jacob! A people prepared by Elijah to receive him into. But where is that throne? IN THE FRUIT OF YOUR BODY I WILL SET MY THRONE! Yeshua bought the house, WHO WE ARE who believe in Yeshua the house builder. So you see, WE ARE ZION who overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony, and ARE THE HOUSE. We are in the earth (we have not arrived) but we are seated in heavenly places (we have a promise established in the will of YHVH) pray his will be done.
David’s vow fulfilled by Messiah in us! Awesome!
Psalm 132
Lord, remember David, and all his afflictions:
How he sware unto the LORD, and vowed unto the mighty God of Jacob;
Surely I will not come into the tabernacle of my house, nor go up into my bed;
I will not give sleep to mine eyes, or slumber to mine eyelids,
Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob.
Lo, we heard of it at Ephratah: we found it in the fields of the wood.
We will go into his tabernacles: we will worship at his footstool.
Arise, O LORD, into thy rest; thou, and the ark of thy strength.
Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.
For thy servant David’s sake turn not away the face of thine anointed.
The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore.
For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.
THIS IS MY REST FOR EVER: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.
I will abundantly bless her provision: I will satisfy her poor with bread.
I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy.
There will I make the horn of David to bud: I have ordained a lamp for mine anointed.
His enemies will I clothe with shame: but upon himself shall his crown flourish.
Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
How is it then that the hearts of the fathers are turned to the children and the children to the fathers?
Ezekiel 44:9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
Concerning circumcision: THE DAY APPROACHES THAT ALL WHO JOIN THEMSELVES TO THE COVENANT OF PROMISE GIVEN TO ABRAHAM WILL BE CIRCUMCISED IN HEART AND FLESH or be “CUT OFF†TO ACCESS TO THE SANCTUARY. At the coming of Elijah a commandment of YHVH to return to the Law of Moses! Prepare your hearts and minds to take courage (you uncircumcised) for I believe I tell you the truth:
At that commandment OF ABBA spoken by Elijah, to return to the Law of Moses, which commandment I believe we hear now…. Men, there must be a “cutting off of the flesh†spiritual and physical.
The people of YHVH are circumcised in heart and flesh! Those circumcised in heart and flesh are the People of YHVH! Remove confusion from the assembly, YHVH has not changed his Torah, Yeshua established and fulfilled the Torah and makes the covenant NEW WITH US, on better promises and in his own blood. Don’t be a stranger to YHVH! The cutting off of flesh is without value in itself, being nothing but skin (legalism and letter of the law), but OBEDIENCE to the WORD OF YAH is everything (spirit of the law) and has great value as it is written, “whosever keeps these commandments and teaches others to do so shall be called GREAT in the Kingdom of YHVH which is ZION!.
Malachi 4 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. BUT UNTO YOU THAT FEAR MY NAME shall the Son of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. REMEMBER YE THE LAW OF MOSES MY SERVANT, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, WITH THE STATUTES AND JUDGMENTS. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
YHVH is commanding a circumcised people, a return to the ways of YHVH, our elohim before the coming day of the lord. How is it then that the hearts of the fathers are turned to the children and the children to the fathers?
Circumcision, heart and flesh! Now you know!
May YHVH himself make provision according to his own will.
Shalom