Rabbi Daniel Lapin – Ba’al Worship
Hi all. This is a series of videos with Rabbi Daniel Lapin (interviewed by Glenn Beck) on Ba’al worship. An eye-opener. WARNING: Some of the discussion is necessarily fairly explicit. “Parental guidance recommended”.
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Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
13 February 2012
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This was quite a message given by the rabbi. His understanding of the baal and people’s worship was a little different than what I’ve considered. However, if you look at the last several decades in a summation, you can see the depravity and worship of the baal. I thought of this depravity of man more as the evil inclination and less about baal worship. But maybe baal worship manifests when a person makes his/her own lusts the purpose for living.
“My Rabbi” what? I found it interesting to hear Glenn refer to Rabbi Lapin as “his” making me wonder what his church thinks about such an identification? Never-the-less, that’s just an aside as I found the entire discussion fascinating although can’t completely agree with Lapin’s assertion that images of Baal have been destroyed from modern life since so many have been well preserved in christian denominations and secular holidays. It was very thought provoking to see the connection between the ancient spirit of Baalzebub manifesting through the human filth and deprivations on display at the ongoing global Occupy & Arab Spring type movements.
Hope Glenn keeps digging deeper into the roots of things!!
“Hope Glenn keeps digging deeper into the roots of things!!”…And Lapin as well…
Glenn Beck was a Mormon. I just Googled the web and there is a website called Glennbeckmormon.com There is a video testimonial on there.
It is very difficult to know what he believes from his shows and interviews. I have never heard him talk about Joseph smith or multiple wives or any topic like that. Does he believe that Yeshua is YHVH. I don’t know.
Beware of Glenn Beck. Its kind of like Madonna’s song “Like a prayer” during the Superbowl. Sounds religious or spiritual. When you look at it closely, it says nothing (or worse).
Gman
yes Gman…I quit listening to him for that reason and it was only until this site brought up this interview that I thought I should reconsider and take a second listen thinking that PP was endorsing what was being said. However, as i process all this I am going back to what I began to see a year ago with Glenn and how he could lead people to a form of Godliness and patriotism but without the Ruach and Truth (Torah, Yahushuah). So, after thinking more about what this whole interview, etc., I can see that Talpin and Beck are cut from the same cloth an still eating from the Tree of Life. Boy! I’m exhausted!!
Was Israels participation in the worship of that one throughout the centuries conspicuously absent?. Sort of like, “Muslim idolaters” are bad, but “Jewish idolaters” don’t exist?
Israel was often in the bible reprimanded for worshiping that one. Even today, in Israel you will find all the same abominations you find elsewhere in the world. I didn’t think that the “stoning” issue was logical as presented.
“we don’t stone our adulterous woman” like those cruel Muslims do and when we did it, it was because of what? I don’t get it. What’s worse, stoning or adultery?
My answer is, adultery… check-out Lev 20.
I haven’t watched the videos, just reading thru the comments.
“Parental guidance recommended” makes me want to avoid such things. It is better for me not to know some things. Sometimes I think my soul is one of a five year old and I have to heal from the education I’ve gotten from this world.
Just to be fair to what I believe Talpin was saying regarding Israel and the Baals, I understood him to explain that Israel has been the only nation in the history of the world that has turned back even on the brink of destruction from worshiping false gods. So, on that point which was an answer to Glenn’s question is it possible or is it too late for America to be saved? Talpin was offering the only solution is to turn back to G-d.
As to the stoning issue in Torah, I am no expert on how that all worked except to make the connection that Messiah literally paid every single penalty described for His adulterous bride which I will never stop being overwhelmed by!! Was this stoning law done away with through His fulfillment? How come Orthodox Judaism doesn’t follow it? Not a pleasant subject that was opened up here and very quickly dispensed with.
I would have to add, Israel has not turned back from worshiping false Gods, that is why I thought it odd this Rabbi would make such a statement. Turning back to God can only be accomplished through Yeshua, as Yeshua insisted “I am the way” he meant the way to return.
Israel is mostly Jewish nonreligious, a minority of religious Jews, Muslims, Catholics and definitely Idols can be seen throughout Israel.
wow…okay I get it Steven. I keep wanting to see my brother Yahuda in modern Judaism…but then a red flag is hoisted. man! we so no Yahushua to get this mess straightened out. I guess that’s His specialty and what this long painful process of harvesting is all about!
PS I never cease to be impressed with Steven…;)
Glory be to Yah, he has mercy on me.
Amein Steven! Mercy on you as well as the rest of us…His wayward Bride who are waking up and overcome with remorse for our past harlotries!!
It’s a hard pill to swallow; that we were all whores once. His mercy makes me weep….
Lisa,
Amen Sister!
I agree Steven if we do not accept Yeshua then none of the below is possible:
HE redeemed those of Isra’el the people who put their faith and trust in HIM and HIS redemption are saved.
Which is why genealogy and all that other stuff holds no water if they have not Faith.
Definition of REDEEM
transitive verb
1
a : to buy back : repurchase
b : to get or win back
2
: to free from what distresses or harms: as
a : to free from captivity by payment of ransom
b : to extricate from or help to overcome something detrimental
c : to release from blame or debt : clear
d : to free from the consequences of sin
3
: to change for the better : reform
4
: repair, restore
5
a : to free from a lien by payment of an amount secured thereby
b (1) : to remove the obligation of by payment (2) : to exchange for something of value
c : to make good : fulfill
6
a : to atone for : expiate
b (1) : to offset the bad effect of (2) : to make worthwhile : retrieve
My heart aches for our brother Judah along with others like Beck for them to come to the knowledge of the Truth. They are believing things that can seem so right (…”but the way leads to death…”), This must be yet another example of the deceptions that permeate the times in which we live. Affirming once more how closely one needs to be walking with our Messiah in Torah.
Its a jungle out there!!
Forgive me brethren but I just can’t keep my mouth shut! You guys all know me by now so I pray you will excuse me, however, one thing that bothers me about the comments to this point is the loose way the Name “Isra’el” is used.
That little Mideastern nation that has adopted that name is NOT Isra’el! You can’t be Isra’el without the Covenant! You can’t be Isra’el without the Mashiach!
I acknowledge that part of Isra’el is living in the Land. I acknowledge that a lot of Yhudah now lives in the Land as we are told that they would be in Zechariah where we are told that the Tents of Yhudah would be restored first.
But, the Country by the name of Isra’el, living in Eretz Isra’el, is not Isra’el! We who are in Covenant, keeping the commandments of YHVH and having a testimony of Yeshua are Isra’el!
Steven said, “I would have to add, Israel has not turned back from worshiping false Gods”
I would dare say that, Yes Isra’el has turned back from worshiping false gods. Those in the Land who call themselves Isra’el have not turned back from worshipping false gods’
Now I know we all really know this, however it makes me cringe and sets my teeth on edge to hear these things. Praise Yah we are all waking up.
Blessings and Laila Tov
David
It reminds me of that game show….”will the real Israel please stand up”. I thought that to be lighthearted, but writing it I realize it just makes me sad. I’m with you Irene, heartbreaking.
Blessed are they that mourn for they shall be comforted! Shalom
Thank you, David, I appreciate your words.
@David
I interacted with you.
Praise Abba
Blessing David
David, I feel your “cringe” and thank you for clarifying the definition of Israel on this thread.
I often feel the same discomfort when “lord, god &, jesus christ” are still being used by believers who know the source of those terms but are finding it difficult to break the habit and acknowledge our Redeemers beautiful Name. It certainly requires patient vigilance to guard and keep all that our Mighty Elohim has given to Israel that sets her a part from the nations. One day we will speak with pure lips as one! Until then let’s keep encouraging one another to be faithful guardians of the treasure that has been planted in us…HalleluYAH!
As the daughter of 10 generations of wheat farmers, I appreciate the illustration of how easily identified the wheat is from the tares at maturity. The tares stand up like the stubborn ugly weeds that they are while a fully developed wheat stalk bows down with the weight of its fruit. Therefore, unlike the game show, “What’s My Line” ( where the real person stands up as humorously interjected below by Steven), at the end of the age when the field is ready to harvest it will actually be the imposters of Israel that will stand up defiantly while true Israel bows to her King.
Irene,
Thank you Sister,
I would have only one caution. We don’t want to become like the “Sacred Name” groups that make the Name issue the focus of their teaching to the point that others feel like lessor citizens of the Kingdom if we don’t conform to their arguments on what is the proper way to pronounce the name of YHVH or Yeshua.
I feel the same as you do when I read and hear words such as Lord, Christ, Jesus, etc. but I try to keep it to myself. BUT, this Isra’el issue insults our identity. I believe He is less insulted because He is watching His Children grow. I as one of His Children who is growing have much less patience than He.
The Sacred Name movement is one definitely to be cautioned about for sure but I still find a blessing in the attempt to know and proclaim “The Name” that has been obscured and obliterated from the scriptures, music and writings that we’ve inherited from our christian forefathers. None of us may know how to pronounce YHVH or His son’s name perfectly but at least we can begin to clean the names of the Baals from our lips when we borrow them to talk about our completely set apart Mighty One….that is one of the things I want to keep practicing as I toddle out of my infanthood
Irene,
There was another forum where the Name of God was discussed. I was diligent to write down the different letters of the alphabet and also all of the pronunciations. I was careful to use the correct letters of the alphabet or pronunciation depending on who I was writing to so that I would not offend any.
There was a battle that ensued on the forum concerning the Name.
I was in tears at one point and nervous about writing.
Someone even wrote out in all caps how we were going to suffer for not doing it their way.
You speak of your discomfort toward believers and habits and unwillingness to bow. My heart is broken. I am always humble before our Father. I am sorry for hurting your feelings. I apologize.
Oh April, I was in no way referencing anything you wrote. I also want to clarify that I am not uncomfortable with other believers personally but just the general and ongoing unchecked habit of not trying to correct our past abuses. There’s so much our Amazing Redeemer is teaching all of us and I have no corner at all on advise on how His Name should be pronounced. The point that I was touching on (and I’m so sorry it was interpreted different from my intent) was how much I desire for the names of other gods to be cleaned from our lips. Like all habits, It’s one that is difficult to break but I sure don’t want to give up. I don’t think it’s important at this stage of the game how YHVH, YHWH or His Son’s Name is pronounced but that we at least do our best to replace the old habit of calling Him “Lord, God, Jesus Christ” with however our own peculiar accent expresses The Names as it is revealed in the Hebrew scriptures.
No broken heart necessary over this issue with me, April ….I love and respect you and the humble spirit our Father is creating in you and the things you have shared. I was also not aware of the earlier discussion about The Name on this site or I might have chosen to be a little more sensitive. Hugs from Idaho!!
“But my people hearkened not to My voice; and Yisra’el would none of Me. So, I let them go after the stubbornness of their heart that they might walk in their own counsels. Oh that My people would hearken unto Me, that Yisra’el would walk in My ways!” (Psalm 8112-14 Heb.Roots Version)
So…from this I am reminded that I do not always have the knowledge to define who Israel is since she is often found going her own way while YHVH longs for her return to Him. Consequently, those living in the Land calling themselves Israel but who have not yet turned back from worshiping false gods might still be seen as such by YHVH. They’re just not the obedient ones that can enjoy the blessings that come with that. Therefore, that is the work that Messiah is calling His faithful servants to do…to call to the lost sheep of the house of Israel wherever they may be even to the uttermost parts of the earth outside of The Land. We don’t know yet who are the sheep or the goats, the wheat or the tares and we are admonished not to try to judge between the two until the harvest when it will become very evident who is who. Until the harvest begins we can assume Talpin, Beck or any others milling about in and out of the sheepfold might be a lost sheep.
This goes without saying however, that false teachings coming out of the mouths of lost sheep don’t need correcting since they’re the bleatings of sheep who are following after their own counsels.
Amein — well said.
Irene wrote the following:
“As to the stoning issue in Torah, I am no expert on how that all worked except to make the connection that Messiah literally paid every single penalty described for His adulterous bride which I will never stop being overwhelmed by!! Was this stoning law done away with through His fulfillment? How come Orthodox Judaism doesn’t follow it? Not a pleasant subject that was opened up here and very quickly dispensed with.”
The words, “quickly dispensed with” got me to searching for answers concerning the questions.
Here are some things I see in the Bible:
“Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, ‘I will destroy man whom I have created…” (Gen 6:5-7a)
Here’s the heart of God. He saves the righteous (Noah and his household — Gen 7:1) and destroys the evil.
Yeshua said, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” (John 8:7)
Yeshua said, “Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? When you go with your adversary to the magistrate, make every effort along the way to settle with him, lest he drag you to the judge, the judge deliver you to the officer and the officer throw you into prison. I tell you, you shall not depart from there till you have paid the very last mite.” (Luke 12:57-59)
Concerning stoning, we hear the Lord’s reasoning in Lev 20:22-23. “You shall therefore keep all My statues and all My judgments, and perform them, that the land where I am bringing you to dwell may not vomit you out. And you shall not walk in the statutes of the nation which I am casting out before you; for they commit all these things, and therefore I abhor them.”
In Deut 17:5-9, it is written, “then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has committed that wicked thing, and shall stone to death that man or woman with stones. Whoever is deserving of death shall be put to death on the testimony of two or three witnesses; he shall not be put to death on the testimony of one witness. The hands of the witnesses shall be the first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So you shall put away the evil from among you.
“If a matter arises which is too hard for you to judge, between degrees of guilt for bloodshed, between one judgment or another, or between one punishment or another, matters of controversy within your gates, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. And you shall come to the priests, the Levites, and to the judge there in those days, and inquire of them; they shall pronounce upon you the sentence of judgment.”
This is where I see the beauty of our Lawgiver, Judge, Priest and King. Yeshua said, “’Woman where are those accuser of yours? Has no one condemned you?’ She said, ‘No one, Lord.’ And Yeshua said to her, ‘Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.’” (John 8:10b-11)
In Acts 14:1-6a we see, “Now it happened in Iconium that they went together to the synagogue of the Jews, and so spoke that a great multitude both of the Jews and of the Greeks believed. But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brethren. Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the Lord, who was bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and wonder to be done by their hands. But the multitude of the city was divided: part sided with the Jews, and part with the apostles. And when a violent attempt was made by both the Gentiles and Jews, with their ruler, to abuse and stone them, they became aware of it and fled…”
It seems to me that we do not have the priests and the Levites to judge here in our days; but we have courts and systems packed with unrighteous people and there are those who are still fighting the fight of faith.
In the future I see the bowls of the wrath of God poured out upon the earth in Rev 16:1. In verse 21, I see “great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great.” I am thinking that God will do some stoning in the future.
Thank you Rodney for posting this, I found it very interesting it made me think about my life in the past and my life now, cleaned up.. and its true there is degeneration of the world, very thought provoking..
I have been thinking about what I saw on this video and realize I have seen it before in several places by different people who are making an alliance between Judaism and Evangelical Christianity, against Islam. The message is subtle until you see it, then obvious. This is political propaganda. Taking advantage of the Love of the El of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the message is to “politically” motivate Evangelicals and others, to politically support Israel (as it is known to the UN). I remember the call saying how to vote and how to approach representatives in DC.
There was a message that “only the Evangelical’s” can save Israel. I remember similar propaganda coming from John Hagee, many Christian Leaders and representatives of the Government of Israel (as it is known to the UN). The message of how we are alike because we follow the El of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and both threatened by Islam. How we have to join together “politically” while remaining separate as religions. It is “spiritual on the surface” but “political propaganda” underneath. That’s why it does not make sense to me. It is a “mixed seed” message.
“In spite of all this, her unfaithful sister Judah did not return to me with all her heart, but only in pretense,” declares the LORD. The LORD said to me, “Faithless Israel is more righteous than unfaithful Judah. “
Amein Steven! That is exactly what sends up red flags for me too…the whole political under current behind this video. There is a danger especially in the Tea Party, patriotism movements that have risen up out of the outrage of moral decay going on in government and cultural to find solutions apart from wholehearted repentance that requires going back much farther and deeper than our Founding Father and the American Constitution. As wonderful as those men and the wisdom of that document are, I think we can all agree here that The Founder and Foundation of a more excellent, eternal and unshakeable Way is where we need and must be headed!
God DID NOT “give man the task of creating order” after “creating everything in chaos” but that is what the adversary wants us to believe.
Right, Scot. “…and behold, it was VERY GOOD.” וְהִנֵּה־טֹוב מְאֹד – v’hinneh tov me’od (exceedingly, abundantly good).
However, being created in the image of God in the Hebrew culture has more to do with function than form. In other words, Man was to bring and maintain order in creation (esp. after the fall). This is implicit in the instructions to keep/guard and tend/serve the garden, which (after the fall) became toil and hard labour to bring forth fruit from the ground (and keep out the weeds).
Same old, same old…. Institutions, nations, tribes, the religious, politicians and men will use whatever tools avail themselves to accomplish their own agendas. Wrapped and draped in patriotism, religion, save the world, it’s my choice, we know best, fairness etc, it’s all just steps that lead miles away from the narrow path.
Psa 33:22 ISV
(22) Adonai, may your gracious love be upon us, even as we hope in you.
Teresa C….
“Same old, same old…. Institutions, nations, tribes, the religious, politicians and men will use whatever tools avail themselves to accomplish their own agendas. Wrapped and draped in patriotism, religion, save the world, it’s my choice, we know best, fairness etc, it’s all just steps that lead miles away from the narrow path.”
Hence the call to “Come out of her my people” !!
I for one am happy to do so!!
What this brought to mind is that this coming second round of ‘occupy wallstreet’ will be much worse and depraved than what we saw during the fall. Like Woodstock which set the bar – very low, this OW will be far worse the same as what happened in California concert with murder and mayhem.
Does anyone else find the skull and bones pillows on GB’s couch concerning? Just sayin’.