Prominent pastor gets it…when facing death.
19 February 2012
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That is grace.
Hey Teresa, we are on the same pages at pretty much the same time
cool! Truly Abba’s grace, amen.
Won’t it be great when we can break bread together at the wedding supper!
Ahh…yes it will sister! May we press toward the mark of the high calling that is in Yahushua!
What a beautiful conversation. Think I’ll hang out here a while. We might end up in a group (((huuuug)))
Group (((huuug))) to all of my sisters!
Yes, indeedee… Love will see us thru… It will be worth it all when we see Yeshua (((many huuuugs)))
And many (((huuuugs))) to Steven too.
I love you real big, my brother.
Hey, remember the songs you blessed us ladies with?
I remember…
What a blessing you are!
Ahhh, yes, peace and blessings…
all is well indeed
Yeah, I’m not sure he really gets it. I went to the website edsstory.com and watched the first video. They show a picture of iconography in his bedroom. And then I saw this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTkKqBjt4Mo&feature=related
and this where he calls keeping kosher and keeping sabbath “a pain in the neck”. Also, he talks about it in the past tense which tells me he did it for one year and then went back to eating whatever he wants and not keeping Sabbath.
The guy is also friends with the likes of Rob Bell, Bill Hybels, and Rick Warren–all ecumenists. I don’t think he got it…I think it was a gimmick…
I think he only walked like Jesus for a year so he could write a book about it and make some money…maybe I’m cynical, but this is just what it seems like to me.
sorry forgot to post the other video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHsrFr1jNfY
I guess I’m confused. Why is everyone impressed by this? At the conclusion of the story he gives the impression, living a Torah based life was an interesting experience but one year was sufficient for him to get in touch with “Jesus” and besides, it was a pain in the neck. His one year experiment is a way of life for some of us. I think this is exactly why most Christians wont even consider Torah obedience. They are given the impression it is too hard, even impossible. This is just not true. His yolk is easy. I don’t think he got it at all. But with this kind of publicity, he can sell a lot of books. Sorry just saying what i see. I don’t know the man, but i can see the fruit.
Shalom out, Deb
Debra,
I agree.
Also, I find it odd that he spent an entire year as “Jesus lived” and still come away calling him Jesus. I don’t want to sound like a Sacred Name Messianic, however, if he went to Synagogue he would have learned absolutely nothing about Yeshua. Living in a Jewish environment because you think that is how Jesus lived is the farthest thing I know from living as Yeshua did. As we know, Jews for the most part are His enemies, not followers.
Perhaps this man has a good heart and a softness as Scot pointed out, however, I don’t see how he learned anything of keeping Torah as Yeshua did. I am sorry for his physical condition which we know unless Yeshua intervenes will end in death, I am more sorry that he went from one stage of religion to another stage of religion. Not that I am his judge but “where’s the fruit?”
Hey Debra, I didn’t look beyond the video above. I wasn’t impressed with him, I was and always am in awe of Abba’s grace. Whether this gentleman’s books or videos sell or not is not the issue for me. Abba’s grace still abounds in his life, Torah obedient or not. He hasn’t died yet, so we don’t know the end of his life story. Each day that he wakes up is an opportunity for him to truly “get it” by Yah’s grace. We may “get” being Torah obedient, but I know for myself, each day Abba wakes me, I want to get more of Him and be less of me, by His grace. Isn’t this the case in all of our lives? Maybe the end of this gentleman’s book will look different than we think
Inetta, I agree his book has a chapter or so more to go. It just disturbs me when people of such limited understanding put themselves forward as teachers. When I hear them teach others that Abba’s yolk is a pain in the but I feel compelled to un-teach. I know I am better at un-teaching then teaching. I’m never sure how to deal with those who can walk away from Torah. Ever since my eyes were opened, by living this life according to His Torah, I could no more walk away then I could voluntarily stop breathing. To walk one year in the footsteps of Messiah and come away in this state. Well it doesn’t add up to me.
Debra, I hear you. My eyes have only been open for 14 months now and I can not turn back. I recently told my hubby I wasn’t ever going back to the sunday church. We haven’t been in a good 6 or 7 months anyway. I tried being the loving wife and went when he wanted to go but each day on this walk of obedience to my Wonderful Master, my journey becomes sweeter and sweeter. I know the saying is “never say never” but I am de-bunking that one here…I will never go back, I can’t, I would simply die!!! Praying that this gentleman and many more taste and see that YHWH is good…all the way to the last jot and tittle!
Shalom
Abba meets us where we are…and in this case it looks like a whole lotta seminary/intellect to undo. This comment was with this video.
“Keeping Sabbath, eating kosher “a pain in the neck” – wow Ed… so close yet so far away. Matt. 5:19.
“He was God so he had a slight advantage.” Really?”
I hope Ed learns our Father’s commandments are not burdensome.
Hmm…I see a softness (internally) as his body was being broken that speaks louder than the minutia that might not have been entirely ironed out. Sabbath keeping, eating clean and such…far less important than loving your neighbor and loving YHWH…though not disconnected from loving him.
I believe Abba will send you people who know nothing of the Sabbath or why Abba wants us to eat right so that they might learn where rest is truly found…even in the brokenness we are all about to experience.
I believe Abba will send you people who know nothing of the Sabbath or why Abba wants us to eat right so that they might learn where rest is truly found…even in the brokenness we are all about to experience.
Amen.
I believe Abba will send you people who know nothing of the Sabbath or why Abba wants us to eat right so that they might learn where rest is truly found…even in the brokenness we are all about to experience.
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Scot, I believe you are correct about that and especially in what we are all about to experience. We will be sent those who will find rest and nourishment from no place else but amongst the believers. I never question anyone who shows up at my doorstep. I just Love um. And feed um, and correct um back to Torah. I don’t suppose things will change all that much around here. Except the number. I’m hoping for an increase there
Shalom Out, Deb
Hmmm?
1st John 1:6, “If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:”
1st John 2:3-4, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepteth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
1st John 2:6, “He that saith he abideth in him ought himself so to walk, even as he walked.”
1st John 3:4, “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the Torah: for sin is the transgression of the Torah.”
Is this the “minutia” you meant Scot? While I followed your sentiments and somewhat agree, I must confess that I cringed when I read that keeping Shabbat etc. was being relegated to “minutia!”
Sorry, I know it’s your blog but I just had to say that.
I’ve been thinking on this for awhile now. What separates believers from ‘wanna be’s’. What is the line, the definition, the final ‘package’.
Because there are people who Believe In “Jesus” and do Great Works in His name. And there are people who keep His commandments (knowingly or unknowingly too), do great works and know not Meshiach.
There are good people (as in giving, charitable, sacrificing) who live their lives for others, yet…
The commandments I am told are not for saving, they bless. Grace is a Gift. Faith is essential. Messiah is critical. Obedience, humility, discernment, knowledge, wisdom, trust and others are also part and parcel.
What divine and proper joining of these and other articles defines the true believer in The Way that enjoins one to another from the beginning to the end of this millennium?
It’s all about being sanctified right? Being set apart, peculiar and unique to Him. We’re marked as His own by knowing and acknowledging Him.
1. Knowing and Acknowledging YHVH, Elohim. (humility)
2. Believing YHVH, Elohim (faith, knowledge)
A. Keeping His commandments (obedience)
a. Observing the Holy Days
I’m sure this can be added to
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I saw Ed’s testimony on the video as having drawn a bit closer to the truth. I was unaware of the other comments related to the other videos. Did he do this for book sales, maybe. Did he find the commandments as a pain in the neck, sadly yes it appears so. I took his testimony at face value and felt for him there was perhaps more “hope” realized then he had before.
It’s a process. I’ve learned more here than I have known before, and tomorrow I’ll learn more again – Baruch ata Adonai!
Let me be controversial…It is not easy for us to follow the commandments. Although, this is not because YHWH made it hard, but because our ungodly lifestyle, traditions, contradictory laws of man, and habits have made it almost impossible to follow entirely. Can I call those things the power of darkness? This is why I yearn to be physically called back to the land where the living Torah reigns!
I believe he is preparing my family to do so, in our hearts, and in our physical life. He has healed a lot, but significant pain still lingers in my life for the choices we have made to follow Him. We have been separated from friends, family, and coworkers. These people have not always seen our steps as “The Truth”, which has been an agent in truly setting us apart.
Loving people, to me, is telling them and showing them the scripture lived out, especially our children. This includes clean food, the Sabbath, separating from sin, and many other aspects of our life. If I did not follow the commandments, I would not have loved my neighbor, as I would have been a good example. I rely on the spirit to call people to repentance. True repentance comes from the heart and is a vehicle for change in our lives; Change as the man in this video has experienced, even though he may still be missing the mark. Mass media is great when it comes to discussing things in forums like this and digging for the truth.
When it comes to following other people and discerning their intents, mass media can be deceptive. Think of politicians, healing preachers, infomercials, etc. This man’s story is his life and should be evaluated by those who know him. One snippet and portrayal of a man based on a small documentary is barely enough to even start to know him. Actually, it has the potential to be very dangerous. Deception is easy when it is hidden behind the facts.
For instance, just because I attended a church with over 3000 people and listened to the preacher 2-3 times a week, still didn’t mean that I knew who the preacher was. I would have to take an active role in befriending him and he would have to take the time to do the same for me, which could not have happened under the circumstances. It was like getting to know a rock star.
YHWH has continually reached his hand out to us through His covenants and prophets and is still doing so to this day. This man has seen something, let’s encourage people to continue to search, as it has been a lifelong process for me.
Hey brother, it’s been a while! I don’t perceive your post as controversial at all, in fact I echo your sentiments. I really posted here to say, tell your wonderful wife and children I said hello! Hope to see you all soon!!
Hi Inetta, thank you for truly making an effort (and succeeding) to love our family! We hope to visit with you and your husband in fellowship soon, ha ha!
ToneLoc,
A close reading of my remarks will show that my intent is not to judge the man but the content of what we have been given to respond to. Taking Torah lightly is not what we do on this blog generally so speaking out for the truth is what we fare expected to do.
I am sure others here feel the same way.
Yes, I see that and I share your passion for living out the Torah.
Does this man believe in the Sabbath? Does he live it out? Is he teaching against Torah or for it? I believe this is what you are asking in your post.
Even in the humbleness of his situation, we need to ensure we are not being deceived. None of us know the whole truth, but that is not an excuse not to live out the things that we do know.
It took me years of questioning to finally understand what YHWH was saying that I needed to follow Torah. I am sure my life resembled his at some point. Thinking I found the truth, when in all actuality, I was just taking steps towards it. Many times in my life, my zeal of finding a piece of truth has turned into grief when I share my pearls with pigs, so to speak. I have learned to have the answers, seeds, ready when people’s life become moldable, fertile soil, and not like the hard ground of everyday life. People’s lives go through cycles, just like yours, and people will be more willing to listen at different times in life. I endeavor to become a person that people can trust to share their difficult time with, so when the hard times come, they know they can trust me and I can throw a few seeds. Everything in my being wants these seeds to grow, but I am not the giver of life, just a seed bearer. Whether they grow is up to them and YHWH.
David,
The seventh day is great unless you murder on it. I’m pretty sure you know how I feel about Sabbath and eating…so yes, minutia comparatively. In the end it is safe to say those guilty of one will be guilty of all so it must have had a different intent rather than expected expertise in the execution of each instruction. Certainly, many will arrive at that “day” having previously sought rest on other “days” and not finding it…
So, I see “the day” giving way to the weightier principle of love for one another if not for it being a location and time in which to do so. Where as, “YHWH hath made the Sabbath for man and not man for the Sabbath”
In the future the Sabbath will continue and man that refuses the gift will not. That is in the future for both us and that man in the video provided he has not deceased.
If he has deceased, we should not be talking about this but instead praying for his family…which I am sure you would do along with many others here…
Oh, wow, how beautifully said… I love your heart in this and I agree.