Marriage, multiple wives, rapists, war and eyes that are never satisfied.
I was asked to comment on the image via Facebook but thought that the discourse that would follow warranted a better method of retreival rather than slipping into obsucrity after opposing sides get frustrated and move on to something else.
First, begin looking at the individual lives of those wanting to “expand their territory” to see if they own the territory they presently possess. Many people wanting to take on more wives are slaves themselves.
The Nuclear Family is CLEARLY the best model. Because we find people (sinful I might add) in the scriptures with wives and porcupines does not mean it is the proscribed method.
I recently took flack for defending a polygamist NOT because I agree with it but instead because the methods that were involved were smarmy. We will have MANY brothers and sisters in the kingdom that will have been in these relationships and we are to love them.
When we look at Abba’s creation BEFORE the fall we see the best way. From that point forward the human narrative has been about scrambling for things in this world to fill the void whether that be more wives, money, cars, followers, another man or countries boundary, etc…the wickedness is the same. Hell enlarges itself because man is never satisfied.
Is having multiple wives sin? It sure can be and many times it is! Especially if you are already a slave that possesses that for which you have not worked. We love to export slavery and not just with respect to this issue…many others. Most leaders of congregations are slaves, indentured servants and love to export that illness across the globe. They are slaves in their individual family microcosm and then get together on the weekends to duplicate the slavery with other slaves on a much larger scale.
Why don’t we discuss each scenario.
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My, I didn’t realise man had wives and porcupines in the TaNaK.
Just kidding.
You meant concubines, yes?
I would get a whole bunch of porcupines… but my wife won’t allow it.
It is my understanding that a “rape” victim (do the instances of ‘rape’ also cover consensual unmarried sex/fornicators?) from the perspective of the culture at the time of writing suffered greater humiliation from being considered a widow and being tainted than the shame of marrying the rapist. Never heard a good teaching on this matter, as our culture likes to sweep these verses under the rug.
Who has understanding on this issue? Does it all make sense in the cultures long past, or is there a practical application?
I would think in the past, if a woman was raped she would no longer be a virgin. Unacceptable as a bride and no way to support herself, I guess they thought it better for her to die than to live a life of hardship and shame. If a woman marries her rapist, he has to take care of her. Consequence? He will never be able to sleep or eat without wondering what she might do. Definitely, always looking over his shoulder. His own guilt will torment him for the rest of his paranoid days.
Dirk,
You can be sure of one thing. A whole bunch of porcupines would really make a mess of your house!
just playing around…
Where is Pekka? I hope he is OK, I miss him. Shalom
Long time, no see….me too, shalom bro.
I miss Pekka too.
I was wondering where Pekka was too; I also miss him
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…..actually, it made me giggle….because I remember so many Arab men joking about taking second wives only for their faces to turn quite serious….followed by a light hearted joke about how difficult it is to please one wife, let alone multiples ones. So maybe porcupines isn’t too far off, lol.
You are unclear why the “nuclear family” option is “CLEARLY the best.” Can you explain?
Shane,
I am unclear why you don’t know the answer to that. Can you explain?
Albert Roy said it best with…
“And while it probably wasn’t in Yah’s perfect will in the Garden after sin entered the equation it was allowed and we are left dealing with it.
I would say that for some it would be sin and for others, not. It would depend on Abba’s will for the individuals…
“he that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin…”
That is why I suggested looking into the lives of the individual…
Yes, our example should always be Abba. We keep saying that we’re keeping Torah and that Torah is Abba’s character/heart. Well, He is NOT a polygamist, NEVER has been. But, and this is so disgusting, some say that Abba was married to 2 wives, the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom. I personally believe polygamy was/is a bad thing (one may not call it sin or whatever) that was allowed, because of the hardness of our hearts (similar to what Yeshua says about divorce, CORRECTLY interpreting Torah, unlike how some interpret it today, they say, well, Torah doesn’t say polygamy is sin, so it’s good).
It’s interesting that in the issue with the resurrection and the 7 brothers marrying the widow in the gospel accounts, polygamy is not mentioned.
Larry,
You said, “But, and this is so disgusting, some say that Abba was married to 2 wives, the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom.”
I couldn’t agree more!
The Bride of YHVH is an Echad Bride as YHVH is an Echad Eloheim. Those who enter Covenant with Him are the Bride. Those who break Covenant are no longer the Bride. Isra’el broke Covenant to a degree that caused YHVH to divorce her. Yhudah was not divorced. That is YHVH’s choice. We cannot question why He chooses to do things as He did. He was definitely NOT a polygamist. Truly disgusting as you rightly said.
It is clear that Abba brought one man and one woman together. Abba is/will be there for all who call upon Him in truth.
I’ve had a HUGE rethink about marriage and the way it’s carried out today….and how it’s described throughout the scriptures in its various forms.
I also reflected on all the years of living in the Middle East….having met some wonderfully kind, compassionate people who loved others despite differences in ‘religion’, etc.
It was interesting to learn, at least in the place where i lived all those years – that the Arabs there would only take a second wife IF they could financially afford too – AND IF the first wife approved of her (she was consulted). This isn’t to say men didn’t take second wives without having the means to support them, or with the agreement/approval of their first wives — but this was a rare occurrence.
I have not done an in depth study of plural marriage. However, in the last few years, having come out of babylon – and having been shedding the false doctrines bit by bit, I did begin to wonder if plural marriages were ‘sinful’ like the church taught they were.
I agree, it seems the best model is of one man and one wife — but I would not look down or judge anyone who is not in that ideal situation.
Great post Scot. Porcupines and all
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I had a porcupine once! Kind of rough snuggling. LOL
Does marrying and divorcing and remarriage which would leave a man with two wives biblically qualify as plural marriage? After all, Scripture teaches that marriage occurs when a couple sleeps together. That would make most of the men in America practicers of plural marriage.
David,
To me your question needs more information; is this among 1, 2 or 3 believers, is there adultery or abuse, resistance to the divorce or repentance? It’s embarrassing for me to admit that all these are factors with regards to the ‘judgment’ I render (not that by any means it’s the final verdict, but it is an exercise in discernment with mercy and judgment)… I know what His intent was/is, but there were/are situations that present themselves outside of what was meant to be and then what is now allowable.
It’s very sad really… It makes me mourn…
Marriage today for many people is like scrambled eggs. I think only Yah can unscramble eggs. But, HE CAN and HE DOES! Praise be unto Yah who knows that we are weak flesh and prone to stumbling! His LOVE and his MERCY endures forever and new everyday! Surely he has borne our grief and carried our sorrows. One day, no matter our circumstances, we WILL be like him and with him. Shalom
Amein and amein!!
Teresa,
I think of marriage in a Biblical way. That is difficult for most folks in the West. We are accustomed to considering marriage as going and getting approval from the government first, then allowing a Priest, Minister, or Judge to listen to our vows and sign the license and declare that we are wed. Then either party at anytime they wish can go back and partition the government to let us out of the marriage. A judge decides who gets what and how custody of children is to be awarded. So, we are slaves to the government instead of to YHVH.
No where in Scripture can it be shown that a woman has the right to divorce her husband and in most cases today, the courts honor and condone such divorces and usually takes a mans children away and a lot of times will not allow the man to visit or have any kind of joint custody. That is all unscriptural, however, that is what we, even those of us who claim to be in Covenant honor in our lives.
Romans 7, quoting Torah of course states, “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband, so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.”
I have had two past wives who left me and divorced me according to mans law in violation of this Commandment and the Judges went along with it.
So, am I still married to the former two women, or am I married to the woman who I am now married to according to secular law?
Who is my wife, the first, the second, the third, or all three?
I would like to point out that in neither of these divorces did I seek, or want them. I was left with no choice. The courts put asunder what Eloheim had joined together.
I have suffered many injustices in the Protestant churches as a result of being divorced. As I stated in another comment. Eloheim Himself could not be members of those churches because as we read in Jeremiah 3, He divorced Israel.
I agree, it is very sad. My children are grown now and I have a wonderful relationship with them, however, they suffered a great deal from the situation as did I. The courts and government in this country are responsible for their suffering as well as the mother. Had the law stayed out of our business we would have worked it out and had a happy life together. I know because she has apologized and is now a Messianic and worships in the same group that I do.
Wow, wow, wow. David that’s such a life. If I may opine here. I think that what we did before we came into haMeshiach was while we were dead to Him. When we accepted His sacrifice and His Word into our lives, truly and only as He knows to be true, then our ensuing conduct comes into the light.
We know that what happened before then is covered by His Blood. We still may live with the consequences, for He will not be mocked, but it is both forgiven and forgotten.
We then have the desire and need to confess our thereafter sins daily, and be made white again (and again, and again) in order to stay One with Him… To choose life, to show ourselves approved, to meditate on His Word and to submit ourselves to His Will.
Col 2:13 KJVA
(13) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
He is Good. He is merciful. He is faithful. He is true.
You and the others here I give thanks for in my prayers, for the fellowship I have with you. Shabbat Shalom!!!
Basically this picture is being used to prove to “Christians” that gay marriage surely is ok and better than some biblical versions of marriage. I need to join the new to Torah group, but is stoning a girl ok if she cant prove her virginity? You seem to say that plural marriage is ok if done correctly, but its not ideal.
Truly? Is this the purpose?!
crazy…
Yeah that is what I got out of it as well. I think I have seen posters like this on FB from gay marriage activist slamming Christians who oppose gay marriage…..some people I guess can’t distinguish between something he calls an abomination and something that looks to be left open.
porcupines are cute.
The rapist and the slave marriages leave me dumbfounded.
Did a lot of research this past year on this topic. Here are a few interesting things I discovered: 1) This topic is a conversation stopper even among many Hebrew Roots people (touchy like porcupines), 2) Polygamy is on the rise in US among christians (excluding mormons) and seems to not go past about 10% of a population, 3) It affects your understanding of adultery and fornication throughout scripture including prophecy, 4) historically Luther, Wesley and other protestant leaders signed off on or had polygamist marriages, 5) currently several denominations that are anti-polygamy (doctrinally) in the US teach their missionaries not to condemn it over seas. I no longer see it as sin and would never judge someone for it. And while it probably wasn’t in Yah’s perfect will in the Garden after sin entered the equation it was allowed and we are left dealing with it. I treat it like a loop hole in the torah if you will. Kind of like the Lamb of God sacrifice. You can’t go to Leviticus and look it up directly with all the do’s and dont’s. While polygamy and porcupinery caused the leaders many problems it is never condemned that I can find. And just for the record, I am not, nor I have I ever been, a member of the polygamist party! Just a scripturalist.
The only marriage relationship recognized by YHVH is “For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and cleve unto his wife.”
This is in reference to Adam and Eve. A man and a woman. It is singular. One man and one woman. Scripture is clear that this is His intention.
What happened after that was often in violation of His Will.
There are lessons in every single incident of a man taking a woman after that. Some times it appears that it is with YHVH’s approval, however, is it possible that we are confusing approval with working through circumstances of a stiff necked people?
Is it possible that He was merciful with stiff necked ignorant people just as we hope and pray that he will be merciful with us stiff necked ignorant people of today such as is found in the Christian Churches who openly teach against Torah through ignorance?
We can’t understand it without doing the work. Quit our surface reading of these stories and begin to deeply study to show ourselves approved. Look for the spiritual lessons of each occurrence . It’s a lot of work! That’s why we struggle with the answers.
Does Scripture give a woman the right to divorce her husband? Look close!
When the State sides with a woman in a divorce against a man in custody incidents or when a woman files for divorce just because she no longer wants a man or she finds another man, Is the State guilty of putting asunder what Eloheim has joined together?
Who gives the State the right to do that and who gives a woman the right to do that?
If my wife is suddenly tired of me and wants to throw me out and divorce me, what gives her the right or the authority and why does the State go along with it?
Why do the Christian Churches look down their nose at a man who has been divorced when he had no choice in the matter because his wife wanted something different and the State stepped in with their poser and took everything a man had worked for for years and puts asunder what Eloheim has joined together?
I was a minister in a Christian denomination at one time and a church that had called me to try out for their pastor took me into a meeting and the very first question that was asked of me was, “What about your marriage status? If you have ever been divorced then you can’t be a minister here. Well, that is very odd since YHVH divorced Israel that would make Him unfit for their pulpit.
THAT OUGHT TO STIR THE POT! Now we can have a real discussion. LOL!
I have wondered if the suggestion to “be married to one wife” pertained to one wife at a time…after it was a “leadership role” which will no doubt take a bunch of time…as do wives. Like much of what we find in our brother Paul’s writings…we must know the dynamics at play.
“the suggestion to “be married to one wife” pertained to one wife at a time”
I just don’t see that, it doesn’t really make sense, it’s silly.
I think context is everything here! Ex 21:15ff begins, “If a man has two wives…”; these are not one after the other they are at the same time. This Journal article from Vetus Testamentum may help to get some context on the other issues involved:
http://www.sju.edu/~bwells/academic/hatedwife_vt.pdf
HAHAHAHA! Poser above should be “power.”
The handful of people interested in multiple wives that I have encountered had debt, did not own their property and such…they should talk to the Arabs that Lisa knew and gleen some wisdom from them.
As for me, I have one and am happy with her.
Thank you David and Albert for your unambiguous replies.
David, you said” We can’t understand it without doing the work. Quit our surface reading of these stories and begin to deeply study to show ourselves approved. Look for the spiritual lessons of each occurrence . It’s a lot of work! That’s why we struggle with the answers.”
That couldn’t be more spot on. It is a process though. I wish I could just upload it to my brain over night. This photo all started when my wife and went to a bible fellowship with really no description other than that. We are new to the area, so we went. The “leader” I found out is a Presb. Pastor. The assistant “leader” I found out a little later that night is a reform Jew. The Pastor didn’t talk much in this meeting. I went to his facebook page the next day and saw this picture and some other posts such as being against gay marriage is bigotry. I have come across a lot of debating styles for gay marriage. Just never seen this picture and his implications. I was looking for some view points as it relates to the use of this picture by the pastor, from people a little farther down the road than me, which is most.
Thanks again.
I found this article helpful with this subject when doing a bit of research after being questioned by my children “why there were multiple women/moms” in bible stories.
http://torahagainstpolygamy.blogspot.com/
Hope this helps……Shalom
That was thought provoking and helpful. thanks for posting the link.
It (plural marriage) feels wrong to me on so many levels; but I will not condemn those who are in bondage of plural marriage, just like I won’t condemn those in other types of bondage (lying, religion, stealing, cheating, whoring, adultery, homosexuality etc etc).
I’m learning that my job is to submit to Abba through Yahushuwah – and become disciplined so He can fill up an empty vessel and carry out His plan. Where that takes me blows my mind pretty much daily.
I totally agree….I will not judge/condemn. At this time though this is what I believe for myself and my household.
I somehow posted this in some weird vortex by clicking on the image… here it is again…
Ohhhh man! haha… I’m not going near this one with a 10 foot asherah pole!!!
In my very human and VERY falible mind I can very easily look at this as being all sorts of wrong, but I think it’s more of a bias due to culture/society, than actual right/wrong…
What do you guys think about this? Is it this the way things should be now? Will Yeshua restore these laws during the millenial reign? Sisters would you guys be cool with submission in these areas? I’ll be honest this little diagram really forces me to check my spirit and see the necessity to submit to His ways instead of what I perceive to be “right” in my own sight…
* hands back Asherah pole …
HarvestGroup, hey, look who’s back, I’ve missed you dude
Larry! Hey brother! Missed you too man!
I’m ashamed to admit it but I felt like YHWH had turned His face from me… I kind of felt abandoned and left alone without a rudder. I felt I had no insight to offer and would frequently read posts but could never muster anything to contribute… it was so weird!
Anyway, I feel like He is returning my strength to me and I’m sure there is a lesson to be learned from that season… but man, it was a TERRIBLE feeling.
Sorry to hear that bro, feel free to email me, I’m happy that you’re back
Harvest, You can be assured growing involves searching AND trust. Nothing to be ashamed of… remain steadfast and lessons learned will strengthen you (us).
Here for you bro.
Harvest,
Welcome back!
I went through the same thing for a very long time. I believe it is intended for our growth and development. YHVH knows our hearts and sometimes we may allow our intellect to override our listening to the Ruach HaKodesh and knowledge puffs up and YHVH gives us time for reflection and humility so we will return to listening to Him rather than engaging in intellectual contests among brethren.
I am speaking for myself of course. I am not insinuating that you were doing that.
@Larry – thanks man! I’m glad to be back too!
@Duncan – Amen & Amen! Thanks for the insight and support brotha!
@ David – I think you hit the nail the nail on the head brother. I, unfortunately, was being much more arrogant… I was starting to question in my spirit to what extent the Torah needed to be kept and I started to diminish and detract from the commandments… well haha, needless to say I learned very quickly that without YHWH’s sprit guiding and keeping me I was alone/dead in the water (or desert for that matter!) Praise be to YHWH and His infinite mercy! Scary stuff indeed.
I can only speak from the point of view of a woman so here I go with both feet firmly implanted on my flapping tongue:
It is unthinkable and goes against every fiber of my feminine genetic makeup to be anything other than The Apple of my husband’s eye, exclusively cherished and adored. As much as there are moments when sharing some or all of my wifely responsibilities with another woman offers fleeting escape, in reality the mere hint of it is totally abhorrent.
As for the patriarchs participating in multiple procreative partners, it still remains that it was only one of the offspring from the Beloved One that Yah set apart for special blessing as far as I have seen in scripture while the offspring of the extra women caused all kinds of heartache. It is unimaginable that YHVH would hook up with a multitude of brides (although we as individual believers are His Bride the fact still remains that she is described in the singular setting the ideal pattern for human marriages). The whole idea of polygamy smacks of Islam’s 70 virgins fantasy which is completely hedonistic, explotive and objectifying of women… a character quality that is dedicated for destruction and a judgement I don’t feel in the least apologetic for.
The idea that YHVH looked away from man’s failing in this department is never elevated to an ideal that we should shoot for. We are always being called to be wholly set apart as our Elohim of Host, El Shaddai is set apart. Of course, I cannot judge another person but that is only in the aspect of placing myself on The Judgement Seat where ultimate rewards/curses are dealt out. However, I certainly can judge a behavior as to whether it leads to life or death whether it be gluttony, drunkeness, sexual deviancy, murder, theft, lying, Astrology, etc…it’s the old “hate the sin love the sinner” thing.
Mixing good and bad seed is not an occupation that I want to perfect and I’m afraid polygamy does that…a little compromise here, a little justification there…and we seem good to go…praise the lord and pass me another woman….Ugh!! Have fun with that one!
Thank you for giving me a sounding board…hopefully there’s no beat down…
Shalom in Our Awesome Redeemer Echad!
No beat down here — only a hearty Amein and a few giggles
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Lisa…happy to contribute to tickling your funny bone…a healthy occupation I enjoy obliging
Couldn’t have said it better myself!! Thank you sister. Shalom
Lordswarrior73 is a dear sister, I made that mistake too in the past
Shalom All!
I think this is the best thread to make an announcement since it is family related!
I want to announce the birth of my granddaughter Brittany Jane Nowlin. 5 pounds 1 ounce 18″ tall! Cute as a bugs ear! Although I must confess I have never seen a bugs ear.
She is a beautiful baby! Praise Yah!! Thank you Father for a healthy granddaughter!
SHABBAT SHALOM MISHPOCHAH!
How wonderful for all of you!! Big Smile Here!!!
Shabbat Shalom!
Blessings
David, congratulations brother! I know you are soooo thankful to Abba and I share in your joy! Grandchildren are simply a blessing.
Shabbat Shalom
Congratulations, David
. Wonderful news!
Congratulations!!!
*squeeeeeeee* I LOVE babies!!
SO happy for you and your family, brother
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Shabbat shalom and thanks for sharing this wonderful news with us!!
Yahuwah baruch and keep you all
Congratulations to you and your children!
May YHVH bless you all in Yeshua ben David!
Congratulations David! I am so happy for You! May Yah bless Brittany Jane, her parents, and her grandparents, of course!
Shabbat Shalom to you and to all my brothers and sisters!
Lisa Dear,
I miss you! Shabbat Shalom and blessings to you and to your family.
Thank you all my brothers and sisters for sharing my joy! It is very special to me.
There is no feeling like it in all the world! Such a beautiful and blessed gift from ABBA! Praise His Name!
I can’t wait to get pictures to share!
Shabbat Shalom
David
Shalom dear brethren! I just wanted to inform you that I have been silent here a very long time because I have been concentrating in my recovery process. I want to give you now a veery powerful testimony about YHVH and His Son, Yeshua.
I almost died about two months ago to cerebral hemorrhage in my cerebellum. I awakened one morning to very painful headache and ache in my neck and I was brought to hospital. Doctors found out that I have a very rare vein-malformation in my cerebellum and they made an operation and it went very well.
BUT before the operation I spent 6 HOURS in central healthcare WITHOUT ANY help from doctors. Ambulance men made a very BAD mistake (but I have forgiven them) because they didn’t take me seriously but brought me to normal central healtcare but not to neurological surgery even if my symptoms were pointing clearly to cerebral hemorrhage. I got verification to this.
I was alone and dying in central healtcare, but the Doctor of all doctors was there: Yeshua and He saved my life!!! Dear brethren, Yeshua lives and heals!!! According to one doctor who are very aware of the cases like this normally it takes two hours to die in cases like these, but I spent 6 HOURS in central healtcare in VERY BAD condition without ANY human help!
YHVH has been FAITHFUL!!! My incredible story and recovery have been a miracle after miracle so I have much to tell to the whole world and anybody who wants to listen!
In addition to what happened to me my wife delivered our firstborn son, Elia (EliYahu), about 5 weeks ago!
So the last two months have been VERY exiting and hard time for our family, but full of YHVH’s miracles! King of Israel has been faithful!!!
We are living very exciting times. I know why this all happened to me and my my family. Everything has a purpose and Abba is in control.
Much shalom & love to everyone,
Pekka
I said: but the Doctor of all doctors was there: Yeshua and He saved my life!!!
I meant that Yeshua STOPPED the bleeding in the malformation so that human-doctors could finish “the job” by an operation. My story have been an awesome testimony to both healthcare personnel and my friends and relatives.
Praise Abba!!!
Dear Brother Pekka,
Wow — ALL praise to Yahuwah!!
I cannot imagine having gone through what you’ve been through, while at the same time your wife was about to give birth to your son! Congratulations for your 1st born son
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Shabbat shalom and may Yahuwah continue to baruch and keep you and your family!!
Yes YHVH is the best doctor there is he’s in control of everything.
Glad to hear your better now…he’s righteous king and Abba
Shalom bro
Yahnathan
Pekka,
I was very touched reading your message. I am so glad you are recovered and you also have a son. May Yah be blessed forever and ever for taking care of you and your familly.
You are a wonderful brother and I and my son Larry admire you very much!
I wish you will feel better and better every day and you will join us on blog. Take care! Be blessed!
Love in Yeshua,
your sister, serafima.
Pekka, Glad to hear your update and congratulations on you and your wife’s first son
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May Abba’s mercy and truth bless you and yours in Yeshua. !
Duncan
Shabbat Shalom family
@Pekka H
Hi Pekka
I stopped by today to see what people are talking about and saw you here on the latest blog comments. I praise Father that you are still alive and well
There are many testimonies in the earth today of Father’s work and healing in His children.
Sometime back I went searching for you and things that you have written. I saw that you had written, “This morning I woke to pray the ‘Our Father’ in a new way”, and from time to time, not knowing what it was that was going on with you, I’d lift you up to Father. Your testimony here is amazing; thank you for sharing. Your life is a blessing to us all.
See what else you wrote:
“Pekka H02-12-2011, 07:01
In the light of anti-semitic “Greek Jesus” -church history miracles are needed!”
Your life is a miracle…
In our Heavenly Father’s love and care…
April,
Thank you for your loving responses. No matter who you respond to, I see the deep desire to love and bless. I pray Father continues to use you to bless others.
Don’t allow the adversary an inch into your precious life. This blog is made up of many brothers and sisters who love one another. None of us are perfect and that is why it is so important for us to forgive one another our faults and weaknesses and to love even when it is difficult.
I see the love in you and thank Father for it.
Blessings and love in Yeshua
David
David,
I read this last night and it brought tears. There are things that I am not allowed to write so communicating with you is difficult.
I desire to discuss the Scriptures and have learned things here on this forum. Trust and love are two different things. My desires are Love and Truth, and to always please our Father; therefore, I forgive and will be forgiven.
I trust our Heavenly Father and walk humbly with Him…
Peace and blessings… I love you, David
Huge thanks for your wonderful and encouraging Spirit-filled words and support!
In one Sabbath Yeshua gave me His Word of promise regarding my story and overall recovery. My messianic friend got also the SAME Word from Yeshua in the same Sabbath and he wanted to tell it to me when I was telling him in a phone that I have got a personal encouraging Word of promise from Yeshua as a Sabbath-gift! 
Just think about the everlasting love of the Father and the Son!
The Word in question is Psalm 30 and I’ll let it’s beautiful words to strengthen your heart and spirit in Yeshua now (it is also interesting to note that Jews use to pray that same Psalm every morning):
“and Song at the dedication of the house of David. I will extol thee, O LORD; for thou hast lifted me up, and hast not made my foes to rejoice over me. LORD my God, I cried unto thee, and thou hast healed me. LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.
Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.
For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.
And in my prosperity I said, I shall never be moved. LORD, by thy favour thou hast made my mountain to stand strong: thou didst hide thy face, and I was troubled. I cried to thee, O LORD; and unto the LORD I made supplication. What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?
Hear, O LORD, and have mercy upon me: LORD, be thou my helper. Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness;
To the end that my glory may sing praise to thee, and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks unto thee for ever. ” (Psalm 30)
Shalom in ben David!
HalleluYAH!
To editors: how about creating a “testimonies” -group where everyone could share their testimonies about the love of YHVH / Yeshua? In addition to our common encouragement I think that kind of group would be awesome witnessing tool also for the ones who doesn’t yet know YHVH / Yeshua yet.
That’s a great idea Pekka! It would be a place where we could ‘sing’ his praises.
Maybe a few others; for His Wonders, General Comments and FYI?
I’m so glad your alive, blessings to you, your wife & Elia!!!
Pekka H,
Shalom my brother! Glad you are with us! Praise Yah!
I am on board with your suggestion. I believe Scot will have to actually set it up though. I’m reasonably sure the other Editors would find it a great idea as well. Anytime we can Praise Yah through our testimonies we should do so. Remember, YHVH inhabits the praises of Israel!
Knowing Yahuwah inhabits the praises of Israel SO lifts me up -and the first time you said that to me David was during a very rough time…..and that kept coming to mind in the days that followed (rocky days) so I just kept praising Him through it all
and He was with me. HalleluYAH! It’s so true!!
Oh!! Thank You Sister!
Sometimes folks don’t listen. I am glad you do!
The louder my soul shouts His Praises the closer He is to me. He lives where His Praise is made manifest! When I want to be close to Him, I only need to start praising Him. It doesn’t take long for the tears to flow.
Psalm 22:3, Stone Edition Tanach, “O my Eloheim! I call out by day, but You answer not; and by night, but there is no respite for me. Yet You are the Holy One, enthroned upon the praises of Isra’el.”
KJV, Psalm 22:3, “But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Isra’el.”
WHAT A THOUGHT! WHAT A TRUTH! WHAT A PROMISE!!!!!
YHVH is Enthroned upon our Praise! When we are feeling down! When the enemy is closing in around us! When we are weak and have no where else to turn.
YHVH IS ENTHRONED UPON OUP PRAISES!! THAT’S WHERE HE LIVES!!!!
Brothers and Sisters, Just start praising Him! Don’t let anything hinder your praise. Resist the adversary and he will flee from you! Just keep praising and you will find yourself in His Presence because THAT IT WHERE HE LIVES!!
Forget the doubts! Forget the fears! Forget the negative responses of others! Forget the theology! Forget the religion! Forget the petty dispute you just had with a sister or a brother! JUST PRAISE AND YOU WILL FIND HIM THERE!
(Caps for emphesis, not shouting.”)
Amein
This song by Messianic Jew and wonderful brother, Michael ben David, has strengthened and encouraged me a lot during hard times: http://youtu.be/2iwolpiFCPU
I highly recommend his music to everyone. In my opinion he has a special gift from YHVH to turn Hebrew Songs (Psalms) into uplifting modern songs.
Shabbat Shalom in advance and let’s keep our hope in God!
Thank you Pekka – loved it!