WHAT DOES SCRIPTURE SAY ABOUT LOVE AND TORAH?

How does love fulfill the commandments?  Does it mean that undescript love takes the place of the commandments?  Or, does it mean that the commandments are love???

Rom. 13:10  Love works no ill toward his neighbor (it does no wrong, no torahless actions against his neighbor):  Therefore, LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF TORAH.  (If you are loving your neighbor you are not doing Torahless actions against him…how do I know this?  Read Rom 13:9…For this, (because of love to your neighbor) you shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, shall not steal, shall not bear false witness, shall not covet AND IF THERE BE OTHER COMMANDS (and we know there are) they are comprehended (understood without speaking them again) in this (commandment) love your neighbor as yourself.

Look at the example of how Messiah showed His love to us…

Eph. 5:2 Walk in love as Messiah has loved us as He gave himself as an offering and sacrifice to God as a sweet smelling savour.  (Sacrifice and offering are works of Torah.  Messiah’s works of Torah are love to his brother…right?  Messiah is showing us that doing the Torah WAS THE EXAMPLE OF LOVE TO HIS BROTHER.  Doing deeds of Torah is showing love to the Father and to the bretheran.  Doing Torah by faith in Messiah is not vain, Torah is love that produces the fruit of eternal life because of faith!)

Phil 2:8  Being found in fashion as a man (Messiah being sent to earth in the form of a man) Messiah did humble himself (as a man) and became obedient to death, even to the death of the cross (death on the cross is sacrifice and offering…deeds of Torah that He did because of His love and the Father’s love toward us.  Messiah shows the example of obedience.  Obedience is to do the works of Torah in our bodies as Messiah did.  He offered complete obedience or submission to the Father’s will all the way to the point of death for His bretheran.  REMEMBER, THE SCRIPTURE SAYS OBEDIENCE IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE!  Adam is our first example of disobedience to YHWH’s word and we see what comes from that…the penalty of death.  Messiah shows what comes from keeping YHWH’s instructions…LIFE!  YHWH has given us His word because it is life to us.  Messiah demonstrates to us that doing YHWH’s word is the ULTIMATE LOVE…no greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother!!!  The works of Torah are by design, love.)

1John 2:5  Whoever keeps his word (Torah, which is Messiah before he came as a man) In him is the love of YHWH perfected.  This is how we know that we are in Him. (In YHWH)  Is this message a “new testament” message that did not exist prior to Messiah being sent as a man or was this always what Torah taught us?  Let’s look as what else the scripture has to say…

1John 3:11  This is the message FROM THE BEGINNING, that you love one an other.

Now you ask about faith because we know it is true that faith is the “buzz word” for those who believe there is a separation between new and old testaments.  Let’s look at this…

Gal. 5:6  In Messiah Yahushua, neither circumcision avails anything OR uncircumcision, but faith which (does) works by love.  (See James 2:20 …faith without works is dead…AND James 2:24…you see that BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY.   (By What kind of works?  Arbitrary works, undefined works?  Did Messiah just go off and do willy nilly stuff?  No!  He did the works of Torah…love fulfills Torah!  If you honor your heavenly Father, you will seek to do His will.  Not the sacrifice stuff, that is what Messiah came to do, once for all.  Messiah did the parts of Torah that you and I could not do.  He alone was sinless so that His blood could cover our sin.  The “new testament” says that Messiah came because of our sin which needed covering from before the face of a righteous Father.  But we can still do the good works of Torah also as we keep the commandments as our Father gave them.)

In the example above you see that WITHOUT FAITH in YHWH and Messiah, doing works of Torah or not doing works of Torah are fruitless.  But, if you add faith to the works, this produces the fruit of eternal life.  The fruit of the word of Eloheim is eternal.  Messiah in written form shows us “the way” and Messiah in the form of man covers us when we fail “the way”.  Messiah is everything we need, we need nothing apart from Him (eat the whole lamb).  In YHWH’s perfect plan of provision for us, He has made Messiah, from the beginning, ALL we need.

I leave you with Eph. 3:17  (the hope) that Messiah (the spirit of the word/Torah Messiah) may dwell in your hearts by faith (because you believe that YHWH’s word is true) that you who are rooted in love (remember what is the example of love??)  may understand the depth with all the saints and to understand (what is) the love of Messiah (so that you too may fulfill it in your bodies).

That is the desire of our Heavenly Father, that we may come to understand the meaning and the depth of His love toward us and how He desires us to honor Him as a Father which is the first commandment with promise, by love for Him and faith that He is true, that our days might be long in the (promised) land!

May our understanding be lighted by the word of truth

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WeirdBeard Admin 18-01-2010, 23:59

What argument was edited? I doubt it was edited as well. Post it again.

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Rodney (Editor) 19-01-2010, 04:50

In response to Chris’s assertions re Sabbath/Shabbat:

Isa 56:1-12 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

(lit. …my Yeshua is near to come…)

(2) Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. (3) Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

(stranger = foreigner)

(4) For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; (5) Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. (6) Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; (7) Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. (8) The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Now see what he says to the religious leaders who have turned away from His ways…

(9) All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest. (10) His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. (11) Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. (12) Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.

Isaiah is clearly talking about the last days before the regathering of exiled Israel from the nations and the reconciliation between Israel and Judah. Those who receive the greatest blessing are those who keep his Sabbath Holy.

The NET puts it this way:

Isa 56:1 ​​​​​​​This is what the LORD says, “Promote justice! Do what is right! For I am ready to deliver you; I am ready to vindicate you openly.
2 ​​​​​​​The people who do this will be blessed, the people who commit themselves to obedience, who observe the Sabbath and do not defile it, who refrain from doing anything that is wrong.
3 ​​​​​​​No foreigner who becomes a follower of the LORD should say, ‘The LORD will certainly exclude me from his people.’ The eunuch should not say, ‘Look, I am like a dried-up tree.’”
4 ​​​​​​​For this is what the LORD says: “For the eunuchs who observe my Sabbaths and choose what pleases me and are faithful to my covenant,
5 ​​​​​​​I will set up within my temple and my walls a monument that will be better than sons and daughters. I will set up a permanent monument for them that will remain.
6 ​​​​​​​As for foreigners who become followers of the LORD and serve him, who love the name of the LORD and want to be his servants – all who observe the Sabbath and do not defile it, and who are faithful to my covenant –
7 ​​​​​​​I will bring them to my holy mountain; I will make them happy in the temple where people pray to me. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar, for my temple will be known as a temple where all nations may pray.”
8 ​​​​​​​The sovereign LORD says this, the one who gathers the dispersed of Israel: “I will still gather them up.”
9 ​​​​​​​All you wild animals in the fields, come and devour, all you wild animals in the forest!
10 ​​​​​​​All their watchmen are blind, they are unaware. All of them are like mute dogs, unable to bark. They pant, lie down, and love to snooze.
11 ​​​​​​​The dogs have big appetites; they are never full. They are shepherds who have no understanding; they all go their own way, each one looking for monetary gain.
12 ​​​​​​​Each one says, ‘Come on, I’ll get some wine! Let’s guzzle some beer! Tomorrow will be just like today! We’ll have everything we want!’

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Rodney (Editor) 22-01-2010, 05:27

I know I’m a little behind the times, but I just read this gem from Chris, “Thanks observer so while the law may be perfect it in itself could not accomplish the redemption of man…”

Of course, the Law was never intended to redeem man – that was the job of the redeemer.

“The law was inadequate to save.”

It was never intended to save. How many times do we have to say it before it penetrates? THE LAW NEVER WAS, ISN’T AND NEVER WILL BE ABOUT SALVATION.

“The Law is the perfect standard of righteousness…”

True.

“…but it is impossible to keep…”

False – the scriptures and historical record don’t agree with you on this point.

“…and was given to point to Christ and reveal our sinfulness.”

Correct. See how mixing a little leaven in leavens the whole lump? The equation is simple: truth + lie = lie, and that leads you into error.

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Duncan 22-01-2010, 07:20

” Every GOOD gift and every PERFECT gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of Lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of His own will fathered He us with the WORD OF TRUTH, that we should be a kind of first-fruits of His creatures.”

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Duncan 22-01-2010, 07:36

“He Fathered us with the Word of truth.” Wow, that is getting stronger and stronger as I’m reading, speaking and letting the life of that truth resonate to my whole life.

Chris, Are you sure you((or anyone); or anyone influenced by you)) can let the traditions of men be equal to The Word of truth?

BTW, It is Jude who already says what contending for the faith ONCE delivered to the saints is.

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